Re: [Rails-devel] 1880: President Certificates

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

Sounds good - I'll take that first approach then.  Thanks for your help.

Mike


On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> Seems to be more complicated, as it would add a ArrayListState instead of
> changing an Integer into a IntegerState. And going forward to Rails 2.0 it
> would require ownership of Certificates of other Certificates, as all
> ownable items need a defined owner. And Scrapheap is a defined owner.
> I do not mind share being writable, as I assume as the code changing it is
> not malign.
> I only mind writing to non-state fields as this breaks undo. In Rails 2.0
> there is the general rule that all non-state variables have to be final.
>
>
> Michael Alexander <out...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>  Just as a thought, what would you think about having a method inside
>> Public Certificate that you would call on the president's share, passing in
>> another share, and inside the method it would "combine" them?  That would
>> eliminate exposing the share value to be written, and guarantee that
>> exactly 100% of the company was still in play.
>>
>>  1880 already has the change in the UI, so that is not a problem. :)
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
>>
>>> Again some quick comments, see below.
>>>
>>> On 09/30/2013 05:45 AM, Michael Alexander wrote:
>>> > In 1880, a player choose upon opening a company if he wants that
>>> company
>>> > to have a 20%, a 30%, or a 40% president's certificate.  This can't be
>>> > simulated by just giving them extra 10% shares at the start, because it
>>> > only counts as 1 against the share limit.  Also, the president can't
>>> > sell down to 30% if he has a 40% president's share (assuming he isn't
>>> > dumping the company on someone who doesn't have 40%).
>>> >
>>> > Any advice on how to implement this?
>>> >
>>>
>>>  My recommendations are identical to the last of your proposal, only
>>> pointing out to change share to an IntegerState.
>>> To avoid any misunderstanding I explain how I would do it.
>>>
>>> A) Change field shares in PublicCertficate class to an IntegerState to
>>> allow dynamic changes.
>>>
>>> B) Create a president certificates based on 20% definition and
>>> certificates of 10% for a full 100%.
>>>
>>> C) At the time purchase of the president certificate, if needed, change
>>> the value of share for the president certificate and move the redundant
>>> 10% certificates to the scrapheap (see Bank class). Change the value of
>>> share for those to zero.
>>>
>>> D) You will have to change the UI to allow choice of the president
>>> certificates shares and extend/augment the StartCompany/BuyCertificate
>>> actions for the additional choice.
>>>
>>> E) The change of president code in various StockRound class methods
>>> should still work, as the do not rely on the fixed assumption of 20% for
>>> the president share already. However extensive testing is recommended.
>>>
>>> The proposal ensurses the following assumptions at every point in the
>>> game and is undo-proof.
>>>
>>> 1) All certificates are created at initialization.
>>> 2) The sum of the field "share" of all certificates equals 100 /
>>> shareUnit, thus in 1880 10. "shareUnit" is a field of PublicCompany.
>>>
>>> Follow-up questions were:
>>>
>>> > Are there other games that do it dynamically?  Actually, the CGR in
>>> 1856 comes to mind...
>>>
>>>  I have no checked exactly how this is done in 1856, but if I remember
>>> correctly it is done similar. Maybe Erik can shed more light on this.
>>>
>>> > One way that it could be done would be to start with a 20% share
>>> defined in the XML file,
>>> > then if during the floatCompany call it was determined I needed a 30%
>>> (or 40%) share instead,
>>> > I could up the shares value in the certificate and scrap one (or two)
>>> of the 10% shares.
>>>
>>>  nearly exactly what I outline in my own words above.
>>>
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