Re: [Rails-devel] 1835 Schlesien

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

OK, you're right.

 

The third option you mention is a separate game option that can be set or
unset with any variant. It would be nice if we could set the default value
to "on" automatically if Clemens is chosen, but the option selection code
isn't yet that smart, I believe.

The other two options only refer to the initial round, so we still have the
option to make the initial round another separate game option. However, that
may change in the future.

 

IIRC several variants exist out there that would most likely be incompatible
with the Schlesien extension, so I don't think it's a good idea to make that
a completely independent game option (see also Mike Bourke's comments).  On
the other hand, I would find it overly restrictive to tie Schlesien to
Clemens alone.  I'm pretty sure that it wasn't intended that way by Harry
Wu.

 

As map changes seem more fundamental to me than the initial round sequence,
I would propose to split off the latter to a new game option, see the
"InitialRoundType" suggestion in my previous post.  Two "variants" would
then remain for now: Standard and Coalfields/Schlesien (probably the latter
one only).

 

For a good overview of (almost?) all proposed 1835 variations, see
http://home.earthlink.net/~gamecorner/1835spac.html.

Although it's unlikely that all of these will ever be implemented in Rails,
we should be prepared to implement the more popular ones (and I don't know
which ones are actually played these days). Further analysis would be
required how that can be achieved in the best way. Some variants have a
built-in different distribution mechanism that cannot mix with the currently
implemented ones, and in that case we might have to hardcode restrictions on
the latter. But that is for later study.

 

Erik.

 

 

From: Oliver Heck [mailto:oli...@gm...] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:51 AM
To: rai...@li...
Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] 1835 Schlesien

 

Erik,



because there
is a lot more to the Clemens variant than just the start packet
distribution. IIRC, at least some of the Clemens specialties have not even
been implemented yet.


Clemens makes three changes to the original rules, which are all implemented
in rails:

*	When buying a certificate from the Start Packet, there are no
restrictions on the order in which certificates may be purchased; a player
is free to choose any certificate remaining in the Start Packet. Each player
in turn may choose any of the remaining certificates (some of which include
an additional certificate, i.e., the Saxon director's share with the LD
private) for purchase. (These combined certificates may not be separated
when purchasing from the Start Packet.)
*	The very first run of the first stock round is done backwards, all
others take place normally. E.g., in a game with four players the first run
is 4-3-2-1. Thereafter every run is 1-2-3-4. (Exactly once player 1 has two
turns in succession.)
*	The Pre-Prussian minor companies will not operate until the Bavarian
(BY) floats. However, the private companies will pay out if the BY does not
float.

I do not see anybody playing the original rules any more, so I think this
variant is mandatory for Schlesien/Coalfield.

Oliver