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Re: [Rails-devel] Splitting up the OR window.
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From: brett l. <bre...@gm...> - 2011-11-24 17:18:14
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Oh... one other note on the OpenShift front... I know that we talked about Continuous Integration a while back. Well, there's pre-built support for Jenkins (aka. Hudson) in OpenShift, if anybody is interested in taking advantage of that for Rails. http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-11-2011/111115-red-hat-open-shift.html ---Brett. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: brett lentz <bre...@gm...> Date: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Splitting up the OR window. To: "Development list for Rails: an 18xx game" <rai...@li...> Comments inline... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: > Erik & Brett: > I support allowing to split up Map and Company window. If there is a valid > reason to keep them together, add a configuration for that. I am wondering if > we could add another yes/no option to combine the Player and Company window, > that would be optimal for a two-screen setup, that I am using myself here. > > A more general approach is to add a docking framework, which would allow user > to drag and drop panels as they like. I would *far* prefer this over making a single arbitrary change. There's a high probability that while some users may like the new layout, some will prefer the current layout and we'd be upsetting that portion of the userbase by forcing an unwanted change on them. So, if we're going to do anything, it needs to *add* functionality, not simply change it for something that's different, but not objectively better. I'd also remind you that dual monitors are *not* the norm, so we'd be moving *away* from a layout that best accommodates the majority of players. That just strikes me as moving in the wrong direction. We're already a niche hobby, there's nothing to be gained by further reducing our userbase. > However from my (limited) knowledge there seems to be not a clear choice which > swing docking library to select if any. > Anybody with the right combination of time and interest is welcome to investigate and/or start putting prototypes together. :-) > And I am not even sure that I would still choose Swing for a rewrite of the > user interface. I would prefer something from the ajax/gwt/jquery et.al. > world. This would ease migration to allow play on mobile devices and have the > server part of the cloud (e.g. using the google AppEngine). > Eh. I'm not a fan of ajax and jquery. Unless there's a compelling feature/function that add significant value, I see no reason to go from a single language (Java) to multiple languages (Java + ECMAScript). I've worked on projects that are split across several languages, and it quickly becomes a larger maintenance burden than it's really worth and makes it difficult for new people to contribute. If we want to support Android, we're already using the right language. It's really a matter of just adapting our code from the stock JVM to Dalvik's API, and getting the APK builds going. The bulk of the work would be presenting a UI that would work on a phone/tablet screen. That said... Supporting running game servers in the cloud is a great idea. I'd have no problems if we wanted to try hosting game servers out of OpenShift (https://openshift.redhat.com/app/). Keeping the OpenShift servers running is sort of my day job. ;-) ---Brett. > >From my point of view google really replaced sun as the company which > supports and encourages the java cross-platform idea most. > And just in time before it was too late... > > But for now: I would like the idea of map and company panel separated. > > Stefan > > > On Thursday, November 24, 2011 02:09:07 pm brett lentz wrote: >> I'd like more layout options, especially the ability to configure what >> is or isn't contained within a single window. However, I think that >> this feature request could be considered pretty low priority. >> >> IMO, adding support for new games and networked play are probably far >> higher on the "most wanted" list. >> >> ---Brett. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote: >> > Today I found the following new feature request #3439190 in Sourceforge >> > (by Anonymous, dated 2011-11-16): >> > >> > "Detach company list from map. >> > >> > Currently, the map window also contains the list of companies. >> > While the motivation for having this is clear (user needs this >> > information simultaneously), there are constellations for which this is >> > not desired: I use two monitors (left-right) and have plenty of space >> > horizontally. Therefore, I'd prefer to have the list of companies left >> > or right of the map. >> > The proposed solution would be to detach the company list and put it into >> > a stand-alone window (or detach the map analogously)." >> > >> > I replied as follows: >> > >> > "Originally, Rails had separate windows for the map and the OR status >> > panel. Brett Lentz has combined the two already in a pretty early stage. >> > >> > Personally, I would have left these apart. Sometimes (e.g. in 1835) it's >> > really annoying having these two screens joined, because the whole OR >> > Window now is too high, and always resizes that way at the start of a >> > new OR (I don't know how to fix that). >> > So I'm all for a split-up." >> > >> > Opinions? >> > >> > Erik. >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ----- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure >> > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, >> > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this >> > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. 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