Re: [Rails-devel] 1825 half-tiles

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I think leaving in Q11 (with an impassibility) and leaving out Q21 is good
enough. 
Sharp-eyed players can indeed detect what access the Unit 2 Q row hexes
would allow.  Whether or not that is relevant, that's the question.
But I have no problem with your view, which amounts to retaining the
existing behaviour, without the 'open' attributes.

Where it really will start looking ugly is on the left-hand side, adjacent
to the R1 and  R2 kits.  Wait and see...

Erik.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Frey [mailto:ste...@we...]
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:12 PM
> To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] 1825 half-tiles
> 
> Erik:
> from my point of view it is clear, however I have not checked the rules
again.
> Especially as the 1825 rules are ambiguous in many respect anyway and then
> the
> 1825 Unit 1 some rules are different (at least in wording) to those of
unit 2
> and 3.
> 
> So I would not allow running to Q11 and Q21 even if unit 2 and/or R3 are
not
> present: My main reasoning here is that there are visual clues for both
the
> brown edge without track for Q11/SW and the blue/green sea for Q21.
> 
> Thus I suggest to add both Q11 and make the edge impassable. I would even
> consider adding Q21 and make both edges impassable if this looks better on
> a whole.
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
> On Saturday, October 29, 2011 03:45:37 pm Erik Vos wrote:
> > Ah yes, of course we could use that.
> > But the question if we *should* do it has not yet been answered.
> >
> > Erik.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stefan Frey [mailto:ste...@we...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:14 PM
> > > To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
> > > Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] 1825 half-tiles
> > >
> > > I was under the impression that the "impassable" attribute actually
> > > does exactly that. Or is it not possible to use it in the scenario
> > > below for a
> >
> > different
> >
> > > reason?
> > > Stefan
> > >
> > > On Saturday, October 29, 2011 02:07:00 pm Erik Vos wrote:
> > > > The "existing mechanism" only allows opening hex edges that would
> > > > otherwise be closed, not the other way around.
> > > > Of course we can extend (or replace) that mechanism.  I'm just
> > > > trying to find out if this very minor issue (as JDG correctly
> > > > points out) is really worth it to create an exception for, also in
> > > > the light of the uncertainty about what the rules (as cited) really
say.
> > > >
> > > > BTW: Q11 is Crewe, not Wolverton.
> > > >
> > > > Erik.
> > > >
> > > > > From: Stefan Frey [mailto:ste...@we...]
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you not lay the half tile on Q11 and block the SW side of
> > > > > hex tile
> > > >
> > > > Q11
> > > >
> > > > > using the existing mechanism?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday, October 28, 2011 10:22:45 pm Erik Vos wrote:
> > > > > > I'm including these half-tiles into 1825 Unit 1, and it
> > > > > > basically works. As expected, it turns out, that adding these
> > > > > > half-tiles makes the existing "open" attributes redundant.
> > > > > > This attribute achieves the same thing: that track can be laid
> > > > > > towards the board
> >
> > edge.
> >
> > > > > > However, the question arises how to interpret the rule that
> > > > > > "Tiles may be placed so that a railway terminates against the
> > > > > > edge of the board or against the side of an incomplete hexag"
> > > > > > in some specific cases where laying track would not be allowed
> > > > > > if the adjacent board was actually present.  For Unit 1, this
> > > > > > refers to the Q row hexes, of which only the southernmost
> > > > > > corner is just visible on the Unit1 game board.  If taken
> > > > > > literally, the cited rule would allow track lays against all
> > > > > > edges of the Q row hexes if
> > >
> > > Unit2/R3 are absent.
> > >
> > > > > > However, if both Unit2 and Kit R3 are present, hex Q11
> > > > > > (Wolverton) would be only reachable from the SE, and hex Q21
(The
> Wash, i.e.
> > > > > > sea)
> > > >
> > > > not
> > > >
> > > > > at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And that is how I had implemented it also for the case that
> > > > > > Unit2/R3 are absent (I only vaguely remember that we might
> > > > > > have had some discussion about this issue).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My current preference is to use a half-tile on hex Q11 (to
> > > > > > which therefore track can be laid from both the SW and SE
> > > > > > directions), and to omit it on hex Q21 (which therefore cannot
> > > > > > be laid any track against).  To replicate the current
> > > > > > behaviour, I would have to omit the half-tile from Q11, and keep
> using the existing 'open'
> > > > > > attribute instead, so that Q11 can only be laid track against
> > > > > > from
> >
> > the SE.
> >
> > > > > > Any opinions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Erik.
> > > >
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