Re: [Rails-devel] batik and svg documents (was: Background Maps)

[Adam B. <ab...@o2...>]

Yes. I know all that.

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From: Erik Vos
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:47 PM
To: 'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'
Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] batik and svg documents (was: Background Maps)

Nice idea, but I cannot find any ids in the SVG code (see attached example 
of tile 57 - reformatted and renamed as text).
And unfortunately we don't have any control over the SVG XML format, as we 
don't have the TileDesigner source code.

Getting an open source tile designer program may be one of our biggest 
needs.

Erik.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Badura [mailto:ab...@o2...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: 'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'
> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] batik and svg documents (was: Background Maps)
>
> And to fully benefit from the SVG model it would be great if the tile
> description had some mapping to SVG image of the tile. If for example
> station entry had an argument "svg-id" which would name identifier of SVG
> tile element which represents the station. Then the SVG map document
> code would not have to care that much about actual details of how the SVG
> makes the station (is it a single circle with border? or are those two 
> circles of
> different radius wrapped in a an svg:g container? or whatever else...). It
> would know that it has to look for ID element and either replace it with
> station token element or to lay the station token element on the same
> position or whatever it likes. Yet it would be much easier.
>
> Another example is marking routes. If a route from edge X to edge Y would
> be realized by ID1, ID2, ... IDn elements in SVG the code could just 
> change
> style of those elements (for example change color to Train 1 color) and
> expect the route to be marked well.
>
> If user clicks a station mark on SVG tile map manager will know ID of the
> "conceptual element" that was clicked and could easily in effect determine
> (based on the tile description) what was it. It easily transforms clicking 
> "this
> white cirlce" into clicking NW station on a double station tile...
>
> -----Oryginalna wiadomość-----
> From: Erik Vos
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:39 AM
> To: 'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'
> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] batik and svg documents (was: Background Maps)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adam Badura [mailto:ab...@o2...]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:20 AM
> > To: 'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'
> > Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] batik and svg documents (was: Background
> > Maps)
> >
> > With SVG+XML I meant that (in my opinion) SVG should be used purly for
> > presentation. Tile "description" (like number of stations, track
> > connections between hex edges, stations on that tracks, and so on...)
> > should be stored separately (so not to mix different tile aspects).
> > This also allows to easly use different tile "styles" without need to
> > change code that analyzes runs or finds possible tile lays.
>
> I fully agree with that.  Several games have hexes and tiles where the 
> picture
> does not reflect the full connectivity function of that hex/tile.
> Examples:
> - PRR and Reading bases in the 1830 Coalfields and Reading variants,
> - Most off-map hexes, and specifically the 1856 Goderich and 18EU Hamburg:
> there is an undisplayed city on these hexes, that in the two cases 
> mentioned
> can even be run through.
> - the sticky version of the brown plain track tiles in some games, like 
> 18EU.
> In these cases the connectivity specification (in Tiles.xml) and the SVG
> picture are different, so the latter is unusable to base route 
> calculations
> upon.
>
> Erik.
>
>
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