Re: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases-1835

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

It seems to me that neither interpretation (Martin’s and John’s) can be falsified by any close reading of the rules, be it the German or the (2nd) English versions.

 

“if the company does not have enough cash to afford a train” -  it does not say that, it says “If a share company is forced to buy a train and does not have enough cash, then…” without further specifying “enough cash” -  to buy what exactly?

 

Erik.

 

From: Dr....@t-... [mailto:Dr....@t-...] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:32 PM
To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases-1835

 

Re 1835:

 

Sollte eine Aktiengesellschaft eine Lok kaufen müssen und nicht
genügend Betriebskapital besitzen, so muß der Direktor den Fehlbetrag aus
seinem Privatvermögen zuschießen. Sollten verschiedene Loks zur Auswahl
stehen (Bankpool), kann der Direktor frei auswählen.

 

Sorry Erik and John but your 1835 rule understanding is wrong imho.

 

The director can ONLY fund cash if he company cant afford any of the trains currently in the bank.

Hes free to choose then which oine he wants if the company cant afford any.

 

Example:

 

4 Train available in the pool for 300 Mark

6 Train in the bank (IPO) for 600 Mark

 

Company has 399 Mark, director can buy the 6 with funding 201 Mark

Company has 400 Mark, Company HAS to buy the available 4 !

 

In the english rules it states if the company does not have enough cash to afford a train (so its the same rule as in german original).

If the company can afford one train it has to buy that, only if it cant afford even the cheapest one, the director can choose.

 

(And yes i got burned a number of times by that rule :))

 

Regards,

 

 


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Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:02:07 +0200
From: "Erik Vos" <eri...@xs...>
To: "'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'" <rai...@li...>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John David Galt [mailto:jd...@di...]

> > 1. If a company has no train, it can buy any train on offer from Bank,
> > Pool or other companies (at any price) that is has enough cash for.
> > It is always obliged to buy a used (Pool) train that it can pay for,
> > if it cannot afford a new (IPO) train.
> 
> Not true for 1835. There, the president may add cash to buy the cheapest
> new train from IPO even if the company can afford a train from the bank
> pool.
> I believe this goes for 1837, too.

I have checked the English and German rules again. These aren't very clear,
but I must admit that these can well be interpreted the way you do. 

The 1837 rules are almost identical. There, the relevant rule XI.11 says:
"If there is a choice of trains available (either from the Bank Pool or from
another company) the director may decide which to buy", which leaves me
wondering why only the Bank Pool is mentioned, and not the Bank initial
offering (other usage of the word Bank Pool in the 1837 rules make it clear
that the Pool is distinct from the initial offering). 
Your version of the 1837 rules has many clarifying comments, but not one
that deals with this issue in any way.

This all still leaves me in doubt. But if no strong contrary arguments
arise, I will take over your position.

Erik.



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