Re: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases -1880 variant

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

Martin,

 

Yes, but my main question is: in what circumstances can the situation arise that we must conclude that “the company has not enough money to buy a train from the bank” if there is a choice of trains available, including trains from other companies.

 

On rereading the rules it seems to me that 1880 has no such thing as a “Bank Pool” for trains:  “Loks, die aufgrund eines Phasenwechsels überzählig sind, gehen ersatzlos aus dem Spiel”, i.e. superfluous trains are removed from the game. So there are no used trains.  That much simplifies the situation. But it does not entirely resolve all issues. 

 

Say, a company has no train and ¥200 cash.  The next train for sale from the Bank is a 6-train which costs ¥600.  The director has another company which owns a 4-train of ¥300.

Is it then allowed to buy that company train for, say, ¥250, so that the director has to add ¥ 50 cash?

Is it allowed to buy that same train for ¥400 (above the list price), so that the director has to add ¥200 cash?

 

I can’t find anything in the 1880 rules that forbids either of these actions. Allowing buys like the first one (¥250) is pretty common in 18xx games. But it would be unusual if the second option (¥400) would be allowed, because most games restrict such prices (with director assistance) to the list price as a maximum.

 

Erik.

 

From: Dr....@t-... [mailto:Dr....@t-...] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:14 AM
To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases -1880 variant

 

Hi Erik,

 

If the company has not enough money to buy a train from the bank (any train besides the refurbished 2s)the director has to make up the difference from his money.

 

To that point he may:

 

- sell shares but no director change may occure

- take out a loan (just possible to finance trains in emergency)

 

He is not allowed to

 

- sell private companies

 

If the director has taken out a loan at the end of the transaction 50% of the loan value gets booked as interest on the loan (director takes out a loan of 100 € at the end of the transaction hes liable for 150€)

 

Implication: if the loan aint paid off the director cant buy shares in subsequent Stockrounds. At the end of a stockround the loan gets extended by 50% of its current value each stockround its not paid off full.

 

Rules original text in german follows:

Der Direktor muss den Fehlbetrag aus seinem Privatvermögen ausgleichen.
o
Hat der Direktor dafür nicht genügend Bargeld, darf er Aktien verkaufen.
o
Durch diese Verkäufe darf bei keiner Gesellschaft ein Direktorwechsel stattfinden.
o
Privatbahnen dürfen nie verkauft werden.
o
Will oder kann der Direktor keine Aktien mehr verkaufen, kommen auf die verbliebenen
Schulden sofort 50% Zinsen hinzu (aufgerundet).
o
Bevor der Spieler in dieser oder in folgenden AR Anteile kaufen darf, muss er seine Schulden
vollständig zurückgezahlt haben.
o
Der Spieler darf jederzeit während einer AR seine Schulden ganz oder teilweise zurückzahlen.
Dafür kann er Anteile verkaufen, muss es aber nicht.
o
Am Ende jeder AR kommen auf verbliebene Schulden wiederum 50% Zinsen hinzu.
o
Dadurch gibt es in diesem Spiel keinen Bankrott.
o
Bei einem Zwangs-Lokkauf muss eine Lok aus der Bank erworben werden.
o
Die Gesellschaft darf bei einem Zwangs-Lokkauf keine weiteren Loks kaufen
o
Eine restaurierte 2er Lok darf nie notfinanziert werden.

 

 


Regards,

Martin

-----Original-Nachricht-----
Subject: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:42:10 +0200
From: "Erik Vos" <eri...@xs...>
To: "Development list for Rails: an 18xx game" <rai...@li...>

I'm working to get the emergency train buying rules right. Currently, all
Rails games follow the 1830 rules, and several people have already
complained about that.

I had a brief look into 1880, but it's not clear to me what the verdicts are
for this game.

Erik.


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