Re: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases

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According to this post, Helmut Ohley says that in 1844 a company with
sufficient funds to purchase a cheap train from the bank pool may instead
choose to enter emergency money raising to buy a more expensive train from
the initial offering.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/18xx/message/22599

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:

> As always, the devil is in the details. An update, with notes added that
> have arisen whilst I was trying to code these rules:
>
> 1. If a company has no train, it can buy any train on offer from Bank, Pool
> or other companies (at any price) that is has enough cash for.
> It is always obliged to buy a used (Pool) train that it can pay for, if it
> cannot afford a new (IPO) train.
> It is never obliged to buy a train from another company.
> Only if no affordable train can be found this way, the President can and
> indeed must add cash, and the below emergency train buying rules apply.
>
> Note: one corollary is, that an emergency does not necessarily arise if the
> company has at least $1 in its treasury, because for that price it can
> always buy a train from another company, and everything is fine.  Only if
> no
> other company offers a train for that price, the emergency situation
> arises.
> For Rails this means, that in this case the game engine cannot know
> beforehand if an  emergency situation will arise. That is only possible if
> the company has zero cash.
>
> 2. Must buy the *cheapest* train from Bank or Pool:
> 1830/Kaas, 1856/70, 18AL/GA/TN, 1826: Yes.
> 1835, 18EU/VA/Scan: No.
>
> Note: I'm awaiting Chris' response on games where it is not mandatory to
> buy
> a Pool train. That would change this aspect.
>
> 3. May buy a train from another company (always up to list price):
> 1830/Kaas, 1835, 18EU/VA/Scan, 1826: Yes.
> 1856/70, 18AL/GA/TN: No.
>
> Note: the "may buy a train for another company" part is in fact only
> relevant if the company has zero cash.  Otherwise a train can be bought
> normally from other companies at a price up to the company cash amount (see
> note above).  For the games marked "yes" it does mean, effectively, that
> the
> president may always add cash for prices up to the list price. But only
> from
> cash at hand, no shares may be sold.
>
> 4. President may add extra cash above the agreed price (up to list price)
> if
> buying from another company:
> 1830/Kaas: Yes.  It seems that this even applies if the company has
> sufficient cash for the agreed price.
> 18EU: Yes, but only if the company had exactly zero cash.
> All others: No or N/A.
>
> Note: I'm not sure if the " extra cash above the agreed price (up to list
> price)" is actually true.  This would mean that it is allowed to leave some
> cash in the company treasure after an emergency buy.  Is that really true
> for any game?
> I'm leaning to the conclusion, that it is not, and then this point is
> irrelevant, as it then will coincide with point 3 (so we don't need a
> special configuration option for this item).
>
> (Maybe this is stuff for rules gurus, and should be directed at the 18xx
> group.  But I prefer to remove any blunders here first...)
>
> Erik.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Vos [mailto:eri...@xs...]
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:37 PM
> > To: 'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'
> > Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases
> >
> > I think I must make the following amendment (at least 18EU spells this
> out):
> >
> > 4. President may add extra cash above the agreed price (up to list price)
> if
> > buying from another company:
> > ===> ... but not more than the cash on hand. In this case no share
> selling
> > allowed. <===
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Erik Vos [mailto:eri...@xs...]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:42 PM
> > > To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
> > > Subject: [Rails-devel] Emergency train purchases
> > >
> > > I'm working to get the emergency train buying rules right.  Currently,
> > > all
> > Rails
> > > games follow the 1830 rules, and several people have already
> > > complained about that.
> > >
> > > In this stage I do not aim at getting all the details in all games
> > completely
> > > implemented.
> > > However, I think I have identified the main options and sorted out how
> > these
> > > apply to most of the games that we have been working on so far.
> > >
> > > The below only applies to companies that must own a train.  That
> > > excludes 1825.
> > >
> > > 1. If a company has no train, it can buy any train on offer from Bank,
> > Pool or
> > > other companies (at any price) that is has enough cash for.
> > > It is always obliged to buy a used (Pool) train that it can pay for,
> > > if it
> > cannot
> > > afford a new (IPO) train.
> > > It is never obliged to buy a train from another company.
> > > Only if no affordable train can be found this way, the President can
> > > and indeed must add cash, and the below rules apply.
> > >
> > > 2. Must buy the *cheapest* train from Bank or Pool:
> > > 1830/Kaas, 1856/70, 18AL/GA/TN, 1826: Yes.
> > > 1835, 18EU/VA/Scan: No.
> > >
> > > 3. May buy a train from another company (always up to list price):
> > > 1830/Kaas, 1835, 18EU/VA/Scan, 1826: Yes.
> > > 1856/70, 18AL/GA/TN: No.
> > >
> > > 4. President may add extra cash above the agreed price (up to list
> > > price)
> > if
> > > buying from another company:
> > > 1830/Kaas: Yes.  It seems that this even applies if the company has
> > sufficient
> > > cash for the agreed price.
> > > 18EU: Yes, but only if the company had exactly zero cash.
> > > All others: No or N/A.
> > >
> > > Any corrections to the above summary?
> > >
> > > Any more fine details for these games, and extensions to other games,
> > > are welcome, but will probably be end up in the for-later-study
> archive.
> > > I had a brief look into 1880, but it's not clear to me what the
> > > verdicts
> > are for
> > > this game.
> > >
> > > Erik.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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