Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 rules error on forced purchases

[brett l. <bre...@gm...>]

I don't see why we can't make the game notes available via the menus.
This seems like it would be a fairly trivial change to the UI.

It's probably a good task for anyone learning the language or code
base to work on.

---Brett.



On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Phil Davies <de...@gm...> wrote:
> We already have this...but it's in the wrong place!
>
> There is a Game Notes button on the startup screen when setting up a
> new game that has credit information and lists known issues (like the
> lack of a randomised distribution for 1851).  Try looking at the game
> notes for 1825, I've used it as a dumping ground for 'stuff I need to
> do to get this working' as well as a general note of things that don't
> work as expected (of course, this is out of date given that Erik has
> done work on the impassable hex side functionality).
>
> I think this is a great suggestion, would be good if we could take the
> Game Note feature and make it accessible mid game in an obvious space
> where it can be referenced.
>
> Phil
>
> On 24 March 2011 16:15, Aliza Panitz <ali...@gm...> wrote:
>> A possible approach:
>>
>> For every game, create a document with rules known not to be enforced
>> by Rails, which players can pop up for reference during the game. For
>> example, nearly every game would have "please check the rules for
>> legal track placement; Rails allows some illegal track plays." and
>> "please check the rules for legal token placement in hexes with
>> multiple cities; Rails may allow illegal token placements."
>>
>> Maintaining a text file that can be popped up in an info window would
>> be fairly simple; a later iteration might have a combination of
>> standard warnings toggled on and off and a game-specific text file.
>>
>> This same file could also carry copyright/publisher info for the game
>> itself, if we want to give credit.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Phil Davies <de...@gm...> wrote:
>>> Although I agree that rules enforcement is vital, rails is not
>>> supposed to teach people how to play the game.  Reading the rules and
>>> knowing the actions you take are legal should be an accepted minimum
>>> for anyone who wants to play.  The problem with niggly things like the
>>> emergency train buying rules is that they can vary enormously by game
>>> and to have to override this for each and every one is a lot of time
>>> that could be better spent implementing new games.
>>>
>>> I accept that because it does handle the enforcement for many aspects
>>> that rails is a bit of a trap for people who aren't keen on reading
>>> rules but it's never going to be an authoritative source of what is
>>> and is not possible simply because of the level of dedication required
>>> to cover every eventuality and the playtesting required.
>>>
>>> Yes it should be done, is it really important?  I think there are more
>>> important things to spend time on (certainly more interesting ones).
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> On 20 March 2011 22:28, Games on the Brain <gam...@gm...> wrote:
>>>> I agree with Aliza. I've only played a handful of games in person, but
>>>> I've played dozens online with Rails. It is essentially how I've
>>>> learned to play the games. I never knew that about 1856.
>>>>
>>>> -Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Aliza Panitz <ali...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>> Given the growing number of people who play on Rails and don't
>>>>> actually read the rules, I think that prohibiting illegal play ought
>>>>> to take a higher priority.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:
>>>>>> I have ignored this aspect thus far.  All games currently follow the 1830
>>>>>> rules.
>>>>>> AFAIK this does not prohibit valid play, so going into this level of detail
>>>>>> has not had a high priority until now. But I'll agree that it has to be done
>>>>>> one day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erik.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>>>>> Van: Aliza Panitz [mailto:ali...@gm...]
>>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 18 maart 2011 22:34
>>>>>>> Aan: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>>>>>>> Onderwerp: [Rails-devel] 1856 rules error on forced purchases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 1856 rules say:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =====================
>>>>>>> When the president is forced to contribute to the purchase of a train, the
>>>>>>> following special rules govern the transaction:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only one train may be purchased.
>>>>>>> The train must be purchased from the open market or the bank and may not
>>>>>>> be purchased from another company.
>>>>>>> The train purchased must be the cheapest available from the open market
>>>>>>> and the bank.
>>>>>>> =====================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, a play-forward of a game I'm in has Rails telling a company
>>>>>>> president that they may contribute cash up to the face value of the train
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> question when making a forced purchase from another company.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, this isn't 1830 :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  - Aliza
>>>>>>>
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