Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 rules error on forced purchases

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

We already have this...but it's in the wrong place!

There is a Game Notes button on the startup screen when setting up a
new game that has credit information and lists known issues (like the
lack of a randomised distribution for 1851).  Try looking at the game
notes for 1825, I've used it as a dumping ground for 'stuff I need to
do to get this working' as well as a general note of things that don't
work as expected (of course, this is out of date given that Erik has
done work on the impassable hex side functionality).

I think this is a great suggestion, would be good if we could take the
Game Note feature and make it accessible mid game in an obvious space
where it can be referenced.

Phil

On 24 March 2011 16:15, Aliza Panitz <ali...@gm...> wrote:
> A possible approach:
>
> For every game, create a document with rules known not to be enforced
> by Rails, which players can pop up for reference during the game. For
> example, nearly every game would have "please check the rules for
> legal track placement; Rails allows some illegal track plays." and
> "please check the rules for legal token placement in hexes with
> multiple cities; Rails may allow illegal token placements."
>
> Maintaining a text file that can be popped up in an info window would
> be fairly simple; a later iteration might have a combination of
> standard warnings toggled on and off and a game-specific text file.
>
> This same file could also carry copyright/publisher info for the game
> itself, if we want to give credit.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Phil Davies <de...@gm...> wrote:
>> Although I agree that rules enforcement is vital, rails is not
>> supposed to teach people how to play the game.  Reading the rules and
>> knowing the actions you take are legal should be an accepted minimum
>> for anyone who wants to play.  The problem with niggly things like the
>> emergency train buying rules is that they can vary enormously by game
>> and to have to override this for each and every one is a lot of time
>> that could be better spent implementing new games.
>>
>> I accept that because it does handle the enforcement for many aspects
>> that rails is a bit of a trap for people who aren't keen on reading
>> rules but it's never going to be an authoritative source of what is
>> and is not possible simply because of the level of dedication required
>> to cover every eventuality and the playtesting required.
>>
>> Yes it should be done, is it really important?  I think there are more
>> important things to spend time on (certainly more interesting ones).
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> On 20 March 2011 22:28, Games on the Brain <gam...@gm...> wrote:
>>> I agree with Aliza. I've only played a handful of games in person, but
>>> I've played dozens online with Rails. It is essentially how I've
>>> learned to play the games. I never knew that about 1856.
>>>
>>> -Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Aliza Panitz <ali...@gm...> wrote:
>>>> Given the growing number of people who play on Rails and don't
>>>> actually read the rules, I think that prohibiting illegal play ought
>>>> to take a higher priority.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:
>>>>> I have ignored this aspect thus far.  All games currently follow the 1830
>>>>> rules.
>>>>> AFAIK this does not prohibit valid play, so going into this level of detail
>>>>> has not had a high priority until now. But I'll agree that it has to be done
>>>>> one day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Erik.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>>>> Van: Aliza Panitz [mailto:ali...@gm...]
>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 18 maart 2011 22:34
>>>>>> Aan: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>>>>>> Onderwerp: [Rails-devel] 1856 rules error on forced purchases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 1856 rules say:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =====================
>>>>>> When the president is forced to contribute to the purchase of a train, the
>>>>>> following special rules govern the transaction:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only one train may be purchased.
>>>>>> The train must be purchased from the open market or the bank and may not
>>>>>> be purchased from another company.
>>>>>> The train purchased must be the cheapest available from the open market
>>>>>> and the bank.
>>>>>> =====================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, a play-forward of a game I'm in has Rails telling a company
>>>>>> president that they may contribute cash up to the face value of the train
>>>>> in
>>>>>> question when making a forced purchase from another company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, this isn't 1830 :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - Aliza
>>>>>>
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