From: Chris S. <chr...@gm...> - 2010-09-02 15:35:40
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Whoops, as I hit send I realized I was responding to the wrong topic. You are correct, this would be a nice PBEM game setup option. -- Chris Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>wrote: > I'd rather have it set for each player in their configuration, as two > players in the same game might have different commenting preferences. I > imagine Player A who always wants to comment before actions, and Player B > who always wants to comment after actions. It seems to be a personal > preference, not a per-game preference. > > > -- > Chris > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:31 PM, brett lentz <bre...@gm...> wrote: > >> This is a good option to have under a category of PBEM-oriented startup >> options. >> >> ---Brett. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Phil Davies <de...@gm...> wrote: >> > Seconded! >> > >> > On 2 September 2010 03:15, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >> That would be very, very nice. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> All those comments help to get a better understanding, how your pbem >> >>> gaming >> >>> works: It can be that a direct usage of the dashboard with java >> dashboard >> >>> classes is more robust.. >> >>> >> >>> Is anyone interested into the following? >> >>> >> >>> Every time the active player changes. >> >>> A) A save file dialog opens with the usual suggested filename. >> >>> B) If the save occurs, the output of the game report of the last >> active >> >>> player >> >>> is shown in a text field, which allows editing. >> >>> C) After editing and confirmation the content is automatically pasted >> to >> >>> the >> >>> clipboard. >> >>> >> >>> Stefan >> >>> >> >>> On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 02:38:36 am Phil Davies wrote: >> >>> > Additional when Dropbox goes wonky (as it is occasionally wont to >> do) >> >>> > and you haven't yet got the previous file, you can at least play >> catch >> >>> > up and execute the previous players actions for them. >> >>> > >> >>> > For my personal uses, I play over instant messenger most of the time >> >>> > and copy/paste works into a google chat window fine on my machine. >> >>> > >> >>> > On 1 September 2010 00:50, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> > > This is the use case for me too. Every group with which I've >> played >> >>> > > Rails >> >>> > > by email includes a copy/paste of the most current action, or the >> >>> > > entire >> >>> > > current round, in the email so people can follow the action >> without >> >>> > > loading each individual save file. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > This is partly an issue because loading save files is a bit >> clunky, as >> >>> > > noted in a previous email where someone pointed out that you have >> to >> >>> > > completely exit the program in order to load a new file. However, >> >>> > > even >> >>> > > if it were easy to load files, the textual summaries are a nice >> way to >> >>> > > track on multiple games in email, and are also useful when people >> are >> >>> > > in >> >>> > > environments (e.g. work, smartphone) where they can't load the >> save >> >>> > > file. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > -- >> >>> > > Chris >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Steve Undy < >> ste...@gm...> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > wrote: >> >>> > >> The use model I'm familiar with (there are probably others) >> involves >> >>> > >> using DropBox to share/distribute the save file and sending an >> email >> >>> > >> reminder to the players with an excerpt from the report window >> that >> >>> > >> describes the latest move. This way, all players can keep track >> of >> >>> > >> what is happening in the game without having to open the save >> file. >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> Steve Undy >> >>> > >> st...@ro... >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we... >> > >> >>> > >> wrote: >> >>> > >>> It seems that this can be narrowed down to a problem that occurs >> in >> >>> > >>> combination with Firefox only. >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> Interestingly it works on my system perfectly, even copying into >> the >> >>> > >>> web-email >> >>> > >>> clients that I use (actually its is more a "do not use", I >> prefer >> >>> > >>> IMAP >> >>> > >>> clients). My firefox version is 3.6.8. >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> A quick google search brings up: >> >>> > >>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Clipboard_not_working >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> Especially have a look at the paragraph about the rich text >> client. >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> Copy&paste is still something which is strongly desktop/OS >> dependent >> >>> > >>> and was >> >>> > >>> the main reason to keep the previous ("static") report window. >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> If someone comes up with a suggestion how to solve that, I am >> happy >> >>> > >>> to >> >>> > >>> add the >> >>> > >>> solution to the code. May I ask what the use case for this >> procedure >> >>> > >>> is? Why >> >>> > >>> not mailing the rails game file instead of the report? >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> Stefan >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 07:04:36 pm Chris Shaffer wrote: >> >>> > >>> > Testing on Mac shows that you can copy/paste into a Firefox >> edit >> >>> > >>> > window. >> >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > Despite our desire to avoid Windows, a significant portion of >> the >> >>> > >>> > player >> >>> > >>> > base are Windows users. Many of them are not technically >> >>> > >>> > proficient >> >>> > >>> > enough >> >>> > >>> > to switch, nor should we try to force them to do so. >> >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > I will test on Windows and Ubuntu this evening. >> >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > -- >> >>> > >>> > Chris >> >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Steve Undy >> >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > <ste...@gm...>wrote: >> >>> > >>> > > OK, very interesting. Cut-and-paste works from the report >> >>> > >>> > > window >> >>> > >>> > > into >> >>> > >>> > > Notepad, but not directly into a Firefox edit window. But >> you >> >>> > >>> > > can >> >>> > >>> > > cut-and-paste from that Notepad window into Firefox. >> Another >> >>> > >>> > > reason to >> >>> > >>> > > avoid Windows. >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > (sorry about all the chatter on this) >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > Steve Undy >> >>> > >>> > > st...@ro... >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Steve Undy >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: >> >>> > >>> > >> I agree with Chris: It looks like cut-and-paste doesn't >> work >> >>> > >>> > >> from >> >>> > >>> > >> the >> >>> > >>> > >> new report window on Windows (at least not on XP). >> >>> > >>> > >> >> >>> > >>> > >> >> >>> > >>> > >> Steve Undy >> >>> > >>> > >> st...@ro... >> >>> > >>> > >> >> >>> > >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chris Shaffer >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> <chr...@gm...>wrote: >> >>> > >>> > >>> Interestingly, it works on my Mac at work. I'll do more >> >>> > >>> > >>> testing >> >>> > >>> > >>> when I >> >>> > >>> > >>> get home tonight. >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> -- >> >>> > >>> > >>> Chris >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this >> e-mail. >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Steve Undy >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: >> >>> > >>> > >>>> Hmmm. Copying from the report window works OK on my >> linux >> >>> > >>> > >>>> system. >> >>> > >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>> Steve Undy >> >>> > >>> > >>>> st...@ro... >> >>> > >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chris Shaffer >> >>> > >>> > >>>> <chr...@gm... >> >>> > >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>> > wrote: >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> I'm using 1.4 now, and I can't seem to copy text from >> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> new >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> report >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> window to paste it into an email. I've tried on both >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> Windows >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> and Ubuntu Linux, with the configuration "report window >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> editable" checked and unchecked on both systems. Any >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> suggestions? >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> -- >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> Chris >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this >> e-mail. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stefan Frey >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> <ste...@we...>wrote: >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Chris & Erik: >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> * Fixed the missing newline in copy&paste from the new >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> report >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> window >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> (google is your friend). >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> * There is a new configuration window now, which allows >> to >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> set >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> options via an >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> UI. I will add some code (similar to the one font >> changes) >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> that makes the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> change immediate and does not require a reload. >> Supplying >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> both >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> simultaneously >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> would be possible, but might bring more confusion to >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> newbies >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> than >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> benefits to >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the experts? >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> * I could change the (static/legacy) report window to >> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> new >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> behavior of >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> clearing undone actions instead of appending undoing, >> but >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> then >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> difference >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> between the two is merely formatting and the >> availability >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> of >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> hyperlinks. Then >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> it is easier to deactivate the formatting and >> hyperlinks >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> than >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> to support two >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> different subclasses of the ReportWindow. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> There are two reasons to keep the static version: >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> A) For me the static window acts as an accounting >> trail, >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> thus >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> keeps >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> track of >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> undos explicitly. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> B) For (quite old) computers (or handhelds if Rails >> gets >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> portable in >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> future) the JEditorPane is a drag on performance and >> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> whole >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> content is >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> updated after each action instead of appending as in >> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> static case. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Stefan >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:31:15 am Chris Shaffer >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > In that case, could there be an option to enable both >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > report >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> windows, so >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > users can switch back and forth between them within a >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > single >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > game? >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> And >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > without requiring them to edit configuration files >> and >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > reload? I'd >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> hate to >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > have to choose between one or the other, since they >> both >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > have lots >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> of >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > utility. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > -- >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > Chris >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > e-mail. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Erik Vos >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > <eri...@xs...> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > I found that you can do that, but at the rather >> severe >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > penalty >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > of >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> losing >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > all end-of lines. The report becomes one long line. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Better keep to the (what Stefan in his wisdom >> disposes >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > as) >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> "legacy" >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > report if you want to save or copy it. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Erik. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > ------------------------------ >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *From:* Chris Shaffer [mailto: >> chr...@gm...] >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday 11 August 2010 21:17 >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > history >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Is it still possible to copy text from the Report >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > window >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > for >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> pasting into >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > an email? >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > -- >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Chris >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing >> this >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > e-mail. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stefan Frey >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > <ste...@we...> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The linked movesets in the CGR 1856 merger >> inspired a >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> feature >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> that >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> proved to >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> be surprisingly easy (as it leverages on the >> excellent >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> move/state mechanisms >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> in Rails). The downside is that it can be effected >> by >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> all >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> undo >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> related bugs, but the number of those was on the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> decrease >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> lately. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The report window now acts as game history: There >> are >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> hyperlinks >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> for >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> each action. Clicking on any of those lets Rails >> jump >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> to >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> that >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> game >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> situation (by >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> calling undo repeatedly). Return to a later >> position >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> is >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> possible >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> unless >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> an action is taken (as it is the case for standard >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> redo). >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> I also >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> added >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> two buttons (<< and >>) to allow single-step >> moves. >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The old report window (which is editable) can be >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> activated via >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Configuration menu (or setting report.window.type >> to >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> static in >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> legacy configfiles). >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Stefan >> >>> > >>> > 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