From: Chris S. <chr...@gm...> - 2010-09-02 15:33:58
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I'd rather have it set for each player in their configuration, as two players in the same game might have different commenting preferences. I imagine Player A who always wants to comment before actions, and Player B who always wants to comment after actions. It seems to be a personal preference, not a per-game preference. -- Chris Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:31 PM, brett lentz <bre...@gm...> wrote: > This is a good option to have under a category of PBEM-oriented startup > options. > > ---Brett. > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Phil Davies <de...@gm...> wrote: > > Seconded! > > > > On 2 September 2010 03:15, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> > wrote: > >> That would be very, very nice. > >> > >> -- > >> Chris > >> > >> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: > >>> > >>> All those comments help to get a better understanding, how your pbem > >>> gaming > >>> works: It can be that a direct usage of the dashboard with java > dashboard > >>> classes is more robust.. > >>> > >>> Is anyone interested into the following? > >>> > >>> Every time the active player changes. > >>> A) A save file dialog opens with the usual suggested filename. > >>> B) If the save occurs, the output of the game report of the last active > >>> player > >>> is shown in a text field, which allows editing. > >>> C) After editing and confirmation the content is automatically pasted > to > >>> the > >>> clipboard. > >>> > >>> Stefan > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 02:38:36 am Phil Davies wrote: > >>> > Additional when Dropbox goes wonky (as it is occasionally wont to do) > >>> > and you haven't yet got the previous file, you can at least play > catch > >>> > up and execute the previous players actions for them. > >>> > > >>> > For my personal uses, I play over instant messenger most of the time > >>> > and copy/paste works into a google chat window fine on my machine. > >>> > > >>> > On 1 September 2010 00:50, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> > >>> > wrote: > >>> > > This is the use case for me too. Every group with which I've played > >>> > > Rails > >>> > > by email includes a copy/paste of the most current action, or the > >>> > > entire > >>> > > current round, in the email so people can follow the action without > >>> > > loading each individual save file. > >>> > > > >>> > > This is partly an issue because loading save files is a bit clunky, > as > >>> > > noted in a previous email where someone pointed out that you have > to > >>> > > completely exit the program in order to load a new file. However, > >>> > > even > >>> > > if it were easy to load files, the textual summaries are a nice way > to > >>> > > track on multiple games in email, and are also useful when people > are > >>> > > in > >>> > > environments (e.g. work, smartphone) where they can't load the save > >>> > > file. > >>> > > > >>> > > -- > >>> > > Chris > >>> > > > >>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Steve Undy < > ste...@gm...> > >>> > > > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > >> The use model I'm familiar with (there are probably others) > involves > >>> > >> using DropBox to share/distribute the save file and sending an > email > >>> > >> reminder to the players with an excerpt from the report window > that > >>> > >> describes the latest move. This way, all players can keep track > of > >>> > >> what is happening in the game without having to open the save > file. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Steve Undy > >>> > >> st...@ro... > >>> > >> > >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> > >>> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> It seems that this can be narrowed down to a problem that occurs > in > >>> > >>> combination with Firefox only. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Interestingly it works on my system perfectly, even copying into > the > >>> > >>> web-email > >>> > >>> clients that I use (actually its is more a "do not use", I prefer > >>> > >>> IMAP > >>> > >>> clients). My firefox version is 3.6.8. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> A quick google search brings up: > >>> > >>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Clipboard_not_working > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Especially have a look at the paragraph about the rich text > client. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Copy&paste is still something which is strongly desktop/OS > dependent > >>> > >>> and was > >>> > >>> the main reason to keep the previous ("static") report window. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If someone comes up with a suggestion how to solve that, I am > happy > >>> > >>> to > >>> > >>> add the > >>> > >>> solution to the code. May I ask what the use case for this > procedure > >>> > >>> is? Why > >>> > >>> not mailing the rails game file instead of the report? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Stefan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 07:04:36 pm Chris Shaffer wrote: > >>> > >>> > Testing on Mac shows that you can copy/paste into a Firefox > edit > >>> > >>> > window. > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > Despite our desire to avoid Windows, a significant portion of > the > >>> > >>> > player > >>> > >>> > base are Windows users. Many of them are not technically > >>> > >>> > proficient > >>> > >>> > enough > >>> > >>> > to switch, nor should we try to force them to do so. > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > I will test on Windows and Ubuntu this evening. > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- > >>> > >>> > Chris > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Steve Undy > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > <ste...@gm...>wrote: > >>> > >>> > > OK, very interesting. Cut-and-paste works from the report > >>> > >>> > > window > >>> > >>> > > into > >>> > >>> > > Notepad, but not directly into a Firefox edit window. But > you > >>> > >>> > > can > >>> > >>> > > cut-and-paste from that Notepad window into Firefox. Another > >>> > >>> > > reason to > >>> > >>> > > avoid Windows. > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > (sorry about all the chatter on this) > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > Steve Undy > >>> > >>> > > st...@ro... > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Steve Undy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >> I agree with Chris: It looks like cut-and-paste doesn't work > >>> > >>> > >> from > >>> > >>> > >> the > >>> > >>> > >> new report window on Windows (at least not on XP). > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> > >>> > >> Steve Undy > >>> > >>> > >> st...@ro... > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> > >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chris Shaffer > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> <chr...@gm...>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Interestingly, it works on my Mac at work. I'll do more > >>> > >>> > >>> testing > >>> > >>> > >>> when I > >>> > >>> > >>> get home tonight. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this > e-mail. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Steve Undy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hmmm. Copying from the report window works OK on my linux > >>> > >>> > >>>> system. > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Steve Undy > >>> > >>> > >>>> st...@ro... > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chris Shaffer > >>> > >>> > >>>> <chr...@gm... > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>> I'm using 1.4 now, and I can't seem to copy text from the > >>> > >>> > >>>>> new > >>> > >>> > >>>>> report > >>> > >>> > >>>>> window to paste it into an email. I've tried on both > >>> > >>> > >>>>> Windows > >>> > >>> > >>>>> and Ubuntu Linux, with the configuration "report window > >>> > >>> > >>>>> editable" checked and unchecked on both systems. Any > >>> > >>> > >>>>> suggestions? > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>>>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this > e-mail. > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stefan Frey > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> <ste...@we...>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Chris & Erik: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> * Fixed the missing newline in copy&paste from the new > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> report > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> window > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> (google is your friend). > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> * There is a new configuration window now, which allows > to > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> set > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> options via an > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> UI. I will add some code (similar to the one font > changes) > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> that makes the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> change immediate and does not require a reload. > Supplying > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> both > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> simultaneously > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> would be possible, but might bring more confusion to > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> newbies > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> than > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> benefits to > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the experts? > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> * I could change the (static/legacy) report window to > the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> new > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> behavior of > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> clearing undone actions instead of appending undoing, > but > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> then > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> difference > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> between the two is merely formatting and the > availability > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> of > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> hyperlinks. Then > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> it is easier to deactivate the formatting and hyperlinks > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> than > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> to support two > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> different subclasses of the ReportWindow. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> There are two reasons to keep the static version: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> A) For me the static window acts as an accounting trail, > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> thus > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> keeps > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> track of > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> undos explicitly. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> B) For (quite old) computers (or handhelds if Rails gets > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> portable in > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> future) the JEditorPane is a drag on performance and the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> whole > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> content is > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> updated after each action instead of appending as in the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> static case. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Stefan > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:31:15 am Chris Shaffer > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > In that case, could there be an option to enable both > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > report > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> windows, so > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > users can switch back and forth between them within a > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > single > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > game? > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> And > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > without requiring them to edit configuration files and > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > reload? I'd > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> hate to > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > have to choose between one or the other, since they > both > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > have lots > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> of > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > utility. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > -- > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > Chris > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > e-mail. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Erik Vos > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > <eri...@xs...> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > I found that you can do that, but at the rather > severe > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > penalty > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > of > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> losing > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > all end-of lines. The report becomes one long line. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Better keep to the (what Stefan in his wisdom > disposes > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > as) > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> "legacy" > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > report if you want to save or copy it. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Erik. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *From:* Chris Shaffer [mailto: > chr...@gm...] > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday 11 August 2010 21:17 > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > history > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Is it still possible to copy text from the Report > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > window > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > for > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> pasting into > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > an email? > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > -- > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Chris > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > e-mail. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stefan Frey > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > <ste...@we...> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The linked movesets in the CGR 1856 merger inspired > a > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> feature > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> that > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> proved to > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> be surprisingly easy (as it leverages on the > excellent > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> move/state mechanisms > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> in Rails). The downside is that it can be effected > by > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> all > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> undo > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> related bugs, but the number of those was on the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> decrease > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> lately. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The report window now acts as game history: There > are > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> hyperlinks > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> for > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> each action. Clicking on any of those lets Rails > jump > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> to > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> that > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> game > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> situation (by > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> calling undo repeatedly). Return to a later > position > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> is > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> possible > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> unless > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> an action is taken (as it is the case for standard > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> redo). > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> I also > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> added > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> two buttons (<< and >>) to allow single-step moves. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The old report window (which is editable) can be > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> activated via > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Configuration menu (or setting report.window.type > to > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> static in > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> legacy configfiles). > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Stefan > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > 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