Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history

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This is a good option to have under a category of PBEM-oriented startup options.

---Brett.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Phil Davies <de...@gm...> wrote:
> Seconded!
>
> On 2 September 2010 03:15, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote:
>> That would be very, very nice.
>>
>> --
>> Chris
>>
>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
>>>
>>> All those comments help to get a better understanding, how your pbem
>>> gaming
>>> works: It can be that a direct usage of the dashboard with java dashboard
>>> classes is more robust..
>>>
>>> Is anyone interested into the following?
>>>
>>> Every time the active player changes.
>>> A) A save file dialog opens with the usual suggested filename.
>>> B) If the save occurs, the output of the game report of the last active
>>> player
>>> is shown in a text field, which allows editing.
>>> C) After editing and confirmation the content is automatically pasted to
>>> the
>>> clipboard.
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 02:38:36 am Phil Davies wrote:
>>> > Additional when Dropbox goes wonky (as it is occasionally wont to do)
>>> > and you haven't yet got the previous file, you can at least play catch
>>> > up and execute the previous players actions for them.
>>> >
>>> > For my personal uses, I play over instant messenger most of the time
>>> > and copy/paste works into a google chat window fine on my machine.
>>> >
>>> > On 1 September 2010 00:50, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > This is the use case for me too. Every group with which I've played
>>> > > Rails
>>> > > by email includes a copy/paste of the most current action, or the
>>> > > entire
>>> > > current round, in the email so people can follow the action without
>>> > > loading each individual save file.
>>> > >
>>> > > This is partly an issue because loading save files is a bit clunky, as
>>> > > noted in a previous email where someone pointed out that you have to
>>> > > completely exit the program in order to load a new file.  However,
>>> > > even
>>> > > if it were easy to load files, the textual summaries are a nice way to
>>> > > track on multiple games in email, and are also useful when people are
>>> > > in
>>> > > environments (e.g. work, smartphone) where they can't load the save
>>> > > file.
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Chris
>>> > >
>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Steve Undy <ste...@gm...>
>>> > >
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >> The use model I'm familiar with (there are probably others) involves
>>> > >> using DropBox to share/distribute the save file and sending an email
>>> > >> reminder to the players with an excerpt from the report window that
>>> > >> describes the latest move.  This way, all players can keep track of
>>> > >> what is happening in the game without having to open the save file.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Steve Undy
>>> > >> st...@ro...
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>> It seems that this can be narrowed down to a problem that occurs in
>>> > >>> combination with Firefox only.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Interestingly it works on my system perfectly, even copying into the
>>> > >>> web-email
>>> > >>> clients that I use (actually its is more a "do not use", I prefer
>>> > >>> IMAP
>>> > >>> clients). My firefox version is 3.6.8.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> A quick google search brings up:
>>> > >>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Clipboard_not_working
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Especially have a look at the paragraph about the rich text client.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Copy&paste is still something which is strongly desktop/OS dependent
>>> > >>> and was
>>> > >>> the main reason to keep the previous ("static") report window.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> If someone comes up with a suggestion how to solve that, I am happy
>>> > >>> to
>>> > >>> add the
>>> > >>> solution to the code. May I ask what the use case for this procedure
>>> > >>> is? Why
>>> > >>> not mailing the rails game file instead of the report?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Stefan
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 07:04:36 pm Chris Shaffer wrote:
>>> > >>> > Testing on Mac shows that you can copy/paste into a Firefox edit
>>> > >>> > window.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Despite our desire to avoid Windows, a significant portion of the
>>> > >>> > player
>>> > >>> > base are Windows users.  Many of them are not technically
>>> > >>> > proficient
>>> > >>> > enough
>>> > >>> > to switch, nor should we try to force them to do so.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I will test on Windows and Ubuntu this evening.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > --
>>> > >>> > Chris
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Steve Undy
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > <ste...@gm...>wrote:
>>> > >>> > > OK, very interesting.  Cut-and-paste works from the report
>>> > >>> > > window
>>> > >>> > > into
>>> > >>> > > Notepad, but not directly into a Firefox edit window.  But you
>>> > >>> > > can
>>> > >>> > > cut-and-paste from that Notepad window into Firefox.  Another
>>> > >>> > > reason to
>>> > >>> > > avoid Windows.
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > (sorry about all the chatter on this)
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > Steve Undy
>>> > >>> > > st...@ro...
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Steve Undy
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote:
>>> > >>> > >> I agree with Chris: It looks like cut-and-paste doesn't work
>>> > >>> > >> from
>>> > >>> > >> the
>>> > >>> > >> new report window on Windows (at least not on XP).
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> Steve Undy
>>> > >>> > >> st...@ro...
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chris Shaffer
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> <chr...@gm...>wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>> Interestingly, it works on my Mac at work.  I'll do more
>>> > >>> > >>> testing
>>> > >>> > >>> when I
>>> > >>> > >>> get home tonight.
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> --
>>> > >>> > >>> Chris
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Steve Undy
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>>> Hmmm.  Copying from the report window works OK on my linux
>>> > >>> > >>>> system.
>>> > >>> > >>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>> Steve Undy
>>> > >>> > >>>> st...@ro...
>>> > >>> > >>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chris Shaffer
>>> > >>> > >>>> <chr...@gm...
>>> > >>> > >>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>>>> I'm using 1.4 now, and I can't seem to copy text from the
>>> > >>> > >>>>> new
>>> > >>> > >>>>> report
>>> > >>> > >>>>> window to paste it into an email.  I've tried on both
>>> > >>> > >>>>> Windows
>>> > >>> > >>>>> and Ubuntu Linux, with the configuration "report window
>>> > >>> > >>>>> editable" checked and unchecked on both systems.  Any
>>> > >>> > >>>>> suggestions?
>>> > >>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>> --
>>> > >>> > >>>>> Chris
>>> > >>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stefan Frey
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> <ste...@we...>wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> Chris & Erik:
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> * Fixed the missing newline in copy&paste from the new
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> report
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> window
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> (google is your friend).
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> * There is a new configuration window now, which allows to
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> set
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> options via an
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> UI. I will add some code (similar to the one  font changes)
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> that makes the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> change immediate and does not require a reload. Supplying
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> both
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> simultaneously
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> would be possible, but might bring more confusion to
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> newbies
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> than
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> benefits to
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> the experts?
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> * I could change the (static/legacy) report window to the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> new
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> behavior of
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> clearing undone actions instead of appending undoing, but
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> then
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> difference
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> between the two is merely formatting and the availability
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> of
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> hyperlinks. Then
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> it is easier to deactivate the formatting and hyperlinks
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> than
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> to support two
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> different subclasses of the ReportWindow.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> There are two reasons to keep the static version:
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> A) For me the static window acts as an accounting trail,
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> thus
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> keeps
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> track of
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> undos explicitly.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> B) For (quite old) computers (or handhelds if Rails gets
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> portable in
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> future) the JEditorPane is a drag on performance and the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> whole
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> content is
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> updated after each action instead of appending as in the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> static case.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> Stefan
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:31:15 am Chris Shaffer
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > In that case, could there be an option to enable both
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > report
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> windows, so
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > users can switch back and forth between them within a
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > single
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > game?
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>  And
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > without requiring them to edit configuration files and
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > reload? I'd
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> hate to
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > have to choose between one or the other, since they both
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > have lots
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> of
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > utility.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > --
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > Chris
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > e-mail.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Erik Vos
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > <eri...@xs...>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >  I found that you can do that, but at the rather severe
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > penalty
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >  of
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> losing
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > all end-of lines. The report becomes one long line.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Better keep to the (what Stefan in his wisdom disposes
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > as)
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> "legacy"
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > report if you want to save or copy it.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Erik.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >  ------------------------------
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *From:* Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...]
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday 11 August 2010 21:17
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > history
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Is it still possible to copy text from the Report
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > window
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > for
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> pasting into
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > an email?
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > --
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Chris
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > e-mail.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stefan Frey
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > <ste...@we...>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The linked movesets in the CGR 1856 merger inspired a
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> feature
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> that
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> proved to
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> be surprisingly easy (as it leverages on the excellent
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> move/state mechanisms
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> in Rails). The downside is that it can be effected by
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> all
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> undo
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> related bugs, but the number of those was on the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> decrease
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> lately.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The report window now acts as game history: There are
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> hyperlinks
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> for
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> each action. Clicking on any of those lets Rails jump
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> to
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> that
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> game
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> situation (by
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> calling undo repeatedly). Return to a later position
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> is
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> possible
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> unless
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> an action is taken (as it is the case for standard
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> redo).
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> I also
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> added
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> two buttons (<< and >>) to allow single-step moves.
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The old report window (which is editable) can be
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> activated via
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Configuration menu (or setting report.window.type to
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> static in
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> the
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> legacy configfiles).
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Stefan
>>> > >>> > >>>>>>
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