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Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history
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From: Phil D. <de...@gm...> - 2010-09-02 03:53:01
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Seconded! On 2 September 2010 03:15, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote: > That would be very, very nice. > > -- > Chris > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: >> >> All those comments help to get a better understanding, how your pbem >> gaming >> works: It can be that a direct usage of the dashboard with java dashboard >> classes is more robust.. >> >> Is anyone interested into the following? >> >> Every time the active player changes. >> A) A save file dialog opens with the usual suggested filename. >> B) If the save occurs, the output of the game report of the last active >> player >> is shown in a text field, which allows editing. >> C) After editing and confirmation the content is automatically pasted to >> the >> clipboard. >> >> Stefan >> >> On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 02:38:36 am Phil Davies wrote: >> > Additional when Dropbox goes wonky (as it is occasionally wont to do) >> > and you haven't yet got the previous file, you can at least play catch >> > up and execute the previous players actions for them. >> > >> > For my personal uses, I play over instant messenger most of the time >> > and copy/paste works into a google chat window fine on my machine. >> > >> > On 1 September 2010 00:50, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> >> > wrote: >> > > This is the use case for me too. Every group with which I've played >> > > Rails >> > > by email includes a copy/paste of the most current action, or the >> > > entire >> > > current round, in the email so people can follow the action without >> > > loading each individual save file. >> > > >> > > This is partly an issue because loading save files is a bit clunky, as >> > > noted in a previous email where someone pointed out that you have to >> > > completely exit the program in order to load a new file. However, >> > > even >> > > if it were easy to load files, the textual summaries are a nice way to >> > > track on multiple games in email, and are also useful when people are >> > > in >> > > environments (e.g. work, smartphone) where they can't load the save >> > > file. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Chris >> > > >> > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Steve Undy <ste...@gm...> >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > >> The use model I'm familiar with (there are probably others) involves >> > >> using DropBox to share/distribute the save file and sending an email >> > >> reminder to the players with an excerpt from the report window that >> > >> describes the latest move. This way, all players can keep track of >> > >> what is happening in the game without having to open the save file. >> > >> >> > >> Steve Undy >> > >> st...@ro... >> > >> >> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> >> > >> wrote: >> > >>> It seems that this can be narrowed down to a problem that occurs in >> > >>> combination with Firefox only. >> > >>> >> > >>> Interestingly it works on my system perfectly, even copying into the >> > >>> web-email >> > >>> clients that I use (actually its is more a "do not use", I prefer >> > >>> IMAP >> > >>> clients). My firefox version is 3.6.8. >> > >>> >> > >>> A quick google search brings up: >> > >>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Clipboard_not_working >> > >>> >> > >>> Especially have a look at the paragraph about the rich text client. >> > >>> >> > >>> Copy&paste is still something which is strongly desktop/OS dependent >> > >>> and was >> > >>> the main reason to keep the previous ("static") report window. >> > >>> >> > >>> If someone comes up with a suggestion how to solve that, I am happy >> > >>> to >> > >>> add the >> > >>> solution to the code. May I ask what the use case for this procedure >> > >>> is? Why >> > >>> not mailing the rails game file instead of the report? >> > >>> >> > >>> Stefan >> > >>> >> > >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 07:04:36 pm Chris Shaffer wrote: >> > >>> > Testing on Mac shows that you can copy/paste into a Firefox edit >> > >>> > window. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Despite our desire to avoid Windows, a significant portion of the >> > >>> > player >> > >>> > base are Windows users. Many of them are not technically >> > >>> > proficient >> > >>> > enough >> > >>> > to switch, nor should we try to force them to do so. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > I will test on Windows and Ubuntu this evening. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > -- >> > >>> > Chris >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Steve Undy >> > >>> > >> > >>> > <ste...@gm...>wrote: >> > >>> > > OK, very interesting. Cut-and-paste works from the report >> > >>> > > window >> > >>> > > into >> > >>> > > Notepad, but not directly into a Firefox edit window. But you >> > >>> > > can >> > >>> > > cut-and-paste from that Notepad window into Firefox. Another >> > >>> > > reason to >> > >>> > > avoid Windows. >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > (sorry about all the chatter on this) >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Steve Undy >> > >>> > > st...@ro... >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Steve Undy >> > >>> >> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: >> > >>> > >> I agree with Chris: It looks like cut-and-paste doesn't work >> > >>> > >> from >> > >>> > >> the >> > >>> > >> new report window on Windows (at least not on XP). >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> Steve Undy >> > >>> > >> st...@ro... >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chris Shaffer >> > >>> >> > >>> <chr...@gm...>wrote: >> > >>> > >>> Interestingly, it works on my Mac at work. I'll do more >> > >>> > >>> testing >> > >>> > >>> when I >> > >>> > >>> get home tonight. >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> -- >> > >>> > >>> Chris >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Steve Undy >> > >>> >> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: >> > >>> > >>>> Hmmm. Copying from the report window works OK on my linux >> > >>> > >>>> system. >> > >>> > >>>> >> > >>> > >>>> >> > >>> > >>>> Steve Undy >> > >>> > >>>> st...@ro... >> > >>> > >>>> >> > >>> > >>>> >> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chris Shaffer >> > >>> > >>>> <chr...@gm... >> > >>> > >>>> >> > >>> > >>>> > wrote: >> > >>> > >>>>> I'm using 1.4 now, and I can't seem to copy text from the >> > >>> > >>>>> new >> > >>> > >>>>> report >> > >>> > >>>>> window to paste it into an email. I've tried on both >> > >>> > >>>>> Windows >> > >>> > >>>>> and Ubuntu Linux, with the configuration "report window >> > >>> > >>>>> editable" checked and unchecked on both systems. Any >> > >>> > >>>>> suggestions? >> > >>> > >>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>> -- >> > >>> > >>>>> Chris >> > >>> > >>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> > >>> > >>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stefan Frey >> > >>> >> > >>> <ste...@we...>wrote: >> > >>> > >>>>>> Chris & Erik: >> > >>> > >>>>>> * Fixed the missing newline in copy&paste from the new >> > >>> > >>>>>> report >> > >>> > >>>>>> window >> > >>> > >>>>>> (google is your friend). >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> * There is a new configuration window now, which allows to >> > >>> > >>>>>> set >> > >>> > >>>>>> options via an >> > >>> > >>>>>> UI. I will add some code (similar to the one font changes) >> > >>> > >>>>>> that makes the >> > >>> > >>>>>> change immediate and does not require a reload. Supplying >> > >>> > >>>>>> both >> > >>> > >>>>>> simultaneously >> > >>> > >>>>>> would be possible, but might bring more confusion to >> > >>> > >>>>>> newbies >> > >>> > >>>>>> than >> > >>> > >>>>>> benefits to >> > >>> > >>>>>> the experts? >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> * I could change the (static/legacy) report window to the >> > >>> > >>>>>> new >> > >>> > >>>>>> behavior of >> > >>> > >>>>>> clearing undone actions instead of appending undoing, but >> > >>> > >>>>>> then >> > >>> > >>>>>> the >> > >>> > >>>>>> difference >> > >>> > >>>>>> between the two is merely formatting and the availability >> > >>> > >>>>>> of >> > >>> > >>>>>> hyperlinks. Then >> > >>> > >>>>>> it is easier to deactivate the formatting and hyperlinks >> > >>> > >>>>>> than >> > >>> > >>>>>> to support two >> > >>> > >>>>>> different subclasses of the ReportWindow. >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> There are two reasons to keep the static version: >> > >>> > >>>>>> A) For me the static window acts as an accounting trail, >> > >>> > >>>>>> thus >> > >>> > >>>>>> keeps >> > >>> > >>>>>> track of >> > >>> > >>>>>> undos explicitly. >> > >>> > >>>>>> B) For (quite old) computers (or handhelds if Rails gets >> > >>> > >>>>>> portable in >> > >>> > >>>>>> the >> > >>> > >>>>>> future) the JEditorPane is a drag on performance and the >> > >>> > >>>>>> whole >> > >>> > >>>>>> content is >> > >>> > >>>>>> updated after each action instead of appending as in the >> > >>> > >>>>>> static case. >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> Stefan >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:31:15 am Chris Shaffer >> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: >> > >>> > >>>>>> > In that case, could there be an option to enable both >> > >>> > >>>>>> > report >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> windows, so >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > users can switch back and forth between them within a >> > >>> > >>>>>> > single >> > >>> > >>>>>> > game? >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> And >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > without requiring them to edit configuration files and >> > >>> > >>>>>> > reload? I'd >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> hate to >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > have to choose between one or the other, since they both >> > >>> > >>>>>> > have lots >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> of >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > utility. >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > -- >> > >>> > >>>>>> > Chris >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this >> > >>> > >>>>>> > e-mail. >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Erik Vos >> > >>> > >>>>>> > <eri...@xs...> >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > I found that you can do that, but at the rather severe >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > penalty >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > of >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> losing >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > all end-of lines. The report becomes one long line. >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Better keep to the (what Stefan in his wisdom disposes >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > as) >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> "legacy" >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > report if you want to save or copy it. >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Erik. >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > ------------------------------ >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *From:* Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...] >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday 11 August 2010 21:17 >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > history >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Is it still possible to copy text from the Report >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > window >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > for >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> pasting into >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > an email? >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > -- >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Chris >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > e-mail. >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stefan Frey >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > <ste...@we...> >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The linked movesets in the CGR 1856 merger inspired a >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> feature >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> that >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> proved to >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> be surprisingly easy (as it leverages on the excellent >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> move/state mechanisms >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> in Rails). The downside is that it can be effected by >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> the >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> all >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> undo >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> related bugs, but the number of those was on the >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> decrease >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> lately. >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The report window now acts as game history: There are >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> hyperlinks >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> for >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> each action. Clicking on any of those lets Rails jump >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> to >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> that >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> game >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> situation (by >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> calling undo repeatedly). Return to a later position >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> is >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> possible >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> unless >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> an action is taken (as it is the case for standard >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> redo). >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> I also >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> added >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> two buttons (<< and >>) to allow single-step moves. >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The old report window (which is editable) can be >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> activated via >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> the >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Configuration menu (or setting report.window.type to >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> static in >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> the >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> legacy configfiles). >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Stefan >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >>> > 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