Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history

SourceForge Headquarters 225 Broadway Suite 1600 San Diego, CA 92101 +1 (858) 422-6466

That would be very, very nice.

--
Chris

Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> All those comments help to get a better understanding, how your pbem gaming
> works: It can be that a direct usage of the dashboard with java dashboard
> classes is more robust..
>
> Is anyone interested into the following?
>
> Every time the active player changes.
> A) A save file dialog opens with the usual suggested filename.
> B) If the save occurs, the output of the game report of the last active
> player
> is shown in a text field, which allows editing.
> C) After editing and confirmation the content is automatically pasted to
> the
> clipboard.
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 02:38:36 am Phil Davies wrote:
> > Additional when Dropbox goes wonky (as it is occasionally wont to do)
> > and you haven't yet got the previous file, you can at least play catch
> > up and execute the previous players actions for them.
> >
> > For my personal uses, I play over instant messenger most of the time
> > and copy/paste works into a google chat window fine on my machine.
> >
> > On 1 September 2010 00:50, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>
> wrote:
> > > This is the use case for me too. Every group with which I've played
> Rails
> > > by email includes a copy/paste of the most current action, or the
> entire
> > > current round, in the email so people can follow the action without
> > > loading each individual save file.
> > >
> > > This is partly an issue because loading save files is a bit clunky, as
> > > noted in a previous email where someone pointed out that you have to
> > > completely exit the program in order to load a new file.  However, even
> > > if it were easy to load files, the textual summaries are a nice way to
> > > track on multiple games in email, and are also useful when people are
> in
> > > environments (e.g. work, smartphone) where they can't load the save
> > > file.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Steve Undy <ste...@gm...>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >> The use model I'm familiar with (there are probably others) involves
> > >> using DropBox to share/distribute the save file and sending an email
> > >> reminder to the players with an excerpt from the report window that
> > >> describes the latest move.  This way, all players can keep track of
> > >> what is happening in the game without having to open the save file.
> > >>
> > >> Steve Undy
> > >> st...@ro...
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...>
> wrote:
> > >>> It seems that this can be narrowed down to a problem that occurs in
> > >>> combination with Firefox only.
> > >>>
> > >>> Interestingly it works on my system perfectly, even copying into the
> > >>> web-email
> > >>> clients that I use (actually its is more a "do not use", I prefer
> IMAP
> > >>> clients). My firefox version is 3.6.8.
> > >>>
> > >>> A quick google search brings up:
> > >>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Clipboard_not_working
> > >>>
> > >>> Especially have a look at the paragraph about the rich text client.
> > >>>
> > >>> Copy&paste is still something which is strongly desktop/OS dependent
> > >>> and was
> > >>> the main reason to keep the previous ("static") report window.
> > >>>
> > >>> If someone comes up with a suggestion how to solve that, I am happy
> to
> > >>> add the
> > >>> solution to the code. May I ask what the use case for this procedure
> > >>> is? Why
> > >>> not mailing the rails game file instead of the report?
> > >>>
> > >>> Stefan
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 07:04:36 pm Chris Shaffer wrote:
> > >>> > Testing on Mac shows that you can copy/paste into a Firefox edit
> > >>> > window.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Despite our desire to avoid Windows, a significant portion of the
> > >>> > player
> > >>> > base are Windows users.  Many of them are not technically
> proficient
> > >>> > enough
> > >>> > to switch, nor should we try to force them to do so.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I will test on Windows and Ubuntu this evening.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --
> > >>> > Chris
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Steve Undy
> > >>> >
> > >>> > <ste...@gm...>wrote:
> > >>> > > OK, very interesting.  Cut-and-paste works from the report window
> > >>> > > into
> > >>> > > Notepad, but not directly into a Firefox edit window.  But you
> can
> > >>> > > cut-and-paste from that Notepad window into Firefox.  Another
> > >>> > > reason to
> > >>> > > avoid Windows.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > (sorry about all the chatter on this)
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Steve Undy
> > >>> > > st...@ro...
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Steve Undy
> > >>>
> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote:
> > >>> > >> I agree with Chris: It looks like cut-and-paste doesn't work
> from
> > >>> > >> the
> > >>> > >> new report window on Windows (at least not on XP).
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> Steve Undy
> > >>> > >> st...@ro...
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chris Shaffer
> > >>>
> > >>> <chr...@gm...>wrote:
> > >>> > >>> Interestingly, it works on my Mac at work.  I'll do more
> testing
> > >>> > >>> when I
> > >>> > >>> get home tonight.
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> --
> > >>> > >>> Chris
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Steve Undy
> > >>>
> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote:
> > >>> > >>>> Hmmm.  Copying from the report window works OK on my linux
> > >>> > >>>> system.
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> Steve Undy
> > >>> > >>>> st...@ro...
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chris Shaffer
> > >>> > >>>> <chr...@gm...
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> > wrote:
> > >>> > >>>>> I'm using 1.4 now, and I can't seem to copy text from the new
> > >>> > >>>>> report
> > >>> > >>>>> window to paste it into an email.  I've tried on both Windows
> > >>> > >>>>> and Ubuntu Linux, with the configuration "report window
> > >>> > >>>>> editable" checked and unchecked on both systems.  Any
> > >>> > >>>>> suggestions?
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>> --
> > >>> > >>>>> Chris
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stefan Frey
> > >>>
> > >>> <ste...@we...>wrote:
> > >>> > >>>>>> Chris & Erik:
> > >>> > >>>>>> * Fixed the missing newline in copy&paste from the new
> report
> > >>> > >>>>>> window
> > >>> > >>>>>> (google is your friend).
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> * There is a new configuration window now, which allows to
> set
> > >>> > >>>>>> options via an
> > >>> > >>>>>> UI. I will add some code (similar to the one  font changes)
> > >>> > >>>>>> that makes the
> > >>> > >>>>>> change immediate and does not require a reload. Supplying
> both
> > >>> > >>>>>> simultaneously
> > >>> > >>>>>> would be possible, but might bring more confusion to newbies
> > >>> > >>>>>> than
> > >>> > >>>>>> benefits to
> > >>> > >>>>>> the experts?
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> * I could change the (static/legacy) report window to the
> new
> > >>> > >>>>>> behavior of
> > >>> > >>>>>> clearing undone actions instead of appending undoing, but
> then
> > >>> > >>>>>> the
> > >>> > >>>>>> difference
> > >>> > >>>>>> between the two is merely formatting and the availability of
> > >>> > >>>>>> hyperlinks. Then
> > >>> > >>>>>> it is easier to deactivate the formatting and hyperlinks
> than
> > >>> > >>>>>> to support two
> > >>> > >>>>>> different subclasses of the ReportWindow.
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> There are two reasons to keep the static version:
> > >>> > >>>>>> A) For me the static window acts as an accounting trail,
> thus
> > >>> > >>>>>> keeps
> > >>> > >>>>>> track of
> > >>> > >>>>>> undos explicitly.
> > >>> > >>>>>> B) For (quite old) computers (or handhelds if Rails gets
> > >>> > >>>>>> portable in
> > >>> > >>>>>> the
> > >>> > >>>>>> future) the JEditorPane is a drag on performance and the
> whole
> > >>> > >>>>>> content is
> > >>> > >>>>>> updated after each action instead of appending as in the
> > >>> > >>>>>> static case.
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> Stefan
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:31:15 am Chris Shaffer
> wrote:
> > >>> > >>>>>> > In that case, could there be an option to enable both
> report
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> windows, so
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > users can switch back and forth between them within a
> single
> > >>> > >>>>>> > game?
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>>  And
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > without requiring them to edit configuration files and
> > >>> > >>>>>> > reload? I'd
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> hate to
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > have to choose between one or the other, since they both
> > >>> > >>>>>> > have lots
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> of
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > utility.
> > >>> > >>>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > --
> > >>> > >>>>>> > Chris
> > >>> > >>>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this
> e-mail.
> > >>> > >>>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Erik Vos
> > >>> > >>>>>> > <eri...@xs...>
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >  I found that you can do that, but at the rather severe
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > penalty
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >  of
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> losing
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > all end-of lines. The report becomes one long line.
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Better keep to the (what Stefan in his wisdom disposes
> as)
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> "legacy"
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > report if you want to save or copy it.
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Erik.
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >  ------------------------------
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *From:* Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...]
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday 11 August 2010 21:17
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game
> history
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Is it still possible to copy text from the Report window
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > for
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> pasting into
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > an email?
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > --
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Chris
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > e-mail.
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stefan Frey
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > <ste...@we...>
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The linked movesets in the CGR 1856 merger inspired a
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> feature
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> that
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> proved to
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> be surprisingly easy (as it leverages on the excellent
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> move/state mechanisms
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> in Rails). The downside is that it can be effected by
> the
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> all
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> undo
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> related bugs, but the number of those was on the
> decrease
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> lately.
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The report window now acts as game history: There are
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> hyperlinks
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> for
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> each action. Clicking on any of those lets Rails jump
> to
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> that
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> game
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> situation (by
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> calling undo repeatedly). Return to a later position is
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> possible
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> unless
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> an action is taken (as it is the case for standard
> redo).
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> I also
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> added
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> two buttons (<< and >>) to allow single-step moves.
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The old report window (which is editable) can be
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> activated via
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> the
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Configuration menu (or setting report.window.type to
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> static in
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> the
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> legacy configfiles).
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Stefan
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> > >>>>>> ------ ----
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> ------ This SF.net email is sponsored by
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Make an app they can't live without
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Rails-devel mailing list
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Rai...@li...
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> > >>>>>> ------ -----
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > ----- This SF.net email is sponsored by
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Make an app they can't live without
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Rails-devel mailing list
> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Rai...@li...
> > >>> > >>>>>> > >
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> > >>>>>> ------ ---------- This SF.net email is sponsored by
> > >>> > >>>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>> Make an app they can't live without
> > >>> > >>>>>> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> > >>> > >>>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev
> > >>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> > >>>>>> Rails-devel mailing list
> > >>> > >>>>>> Rai...@li...
> > >>> > >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> > >>>>> ------ --------- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by:
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>> Show off your parallel programming skills.
> > >>> > >>>>> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010.
> > >>> > >>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> > >>>>> Rails-devel mailing list
> > >>> > >>>>> Rai...@li...
> > >>> > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> > >>>> ------ -------- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by:
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> Show off your parallel programming skills.
> > >>> > >>>> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010.
> > >>> > >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd
> > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> > >>>> Rails-devel mailing list
> > >>> > >>>> Rai...@li...
> > >>> > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > >>>
> > >>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> ------- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by:
> > >>>
> > >>> Show off your parallel programming skills.
> > >>> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010.
> > >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Rails-devel mailing list
> > >>> Rai...@li...
> > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > >>
> > >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> ------ This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by:
> > >>
> > >> Show off your parallel programming skills.
> > >> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010.
> > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Rails-devel mailing list
> > >> Rai...@li...
> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > >
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by:
> > >
> > > Show off your parallel programming skills.
> > > Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010.
> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rails-devel mailing list
> > > Rai...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by:
> >
> > Show off your parallel programming skills.
> > Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010.
> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails-devel mailing list
> > Rai...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by:
>
> Show off your parallel programming skills.
> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd
> _______________________________________________
> Rails-devel mailing list
> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
>