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Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history
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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2010-09-01 22:06:10
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All those comments help to get a better understanding, how your pbem gaming works: It can be that a direct usage of the dashboard with java dashboard classes is more robust.. Is anyone interested into the following? Every time the active player changes. A) A save file dialog opens with the usual suggested filename. B) If the save occurs, the output of the game report of the last active player is shown in a text field, which allows editing. C) After editing and confirmation the content is automatically pasted to the clipboard. Stefan On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 02:38:36 am Phil Davies wrote: > Additional when Dropbox goes wonky (as it is occasionally wont to do) > and you haven't yet got the previous file, you can at least play catch > up and execute the previous players actions for them. > > For my personal uses, I play over instant messenger most of the time > and copy/paste works into a google chat window fine on my machine. > > On 1 September 2010 00:50, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote: > > This is the use case for me too. Every group with which I've played Rails > > by email includes a copy/paste of the most current action, or the entire > > current round, in the email so people can follow the action without > > loading each individual save file. > > > > This is partly an issue because loading save files is a bit clunky, as > > noted in a previous email where someone pointed out that you have to > > completely exit the program in order to load a new file. However, even > > if it were easy to load files, the textual summaries are a nice way to > > track on multiple games in email, and are also useful when people are in > > environments (e.g. work, smartphone) where they can't load the save > > file. > > > > -- > > Chris > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Steve Undy <ste...@gm...> > > > > wrote: > >> The use model I'm familiar with (there are probably others) involves > >> using DropBox to share/distribute the save file and sending an email > >> reminder to the players with an excerpt from the report window that > >> describes the latest move. This way, all players can keep track of > >> what is happening in the game without having to open the save file. > >> > >> Steve Undy > >> st...@ro... > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: > >>> It seems that this can be narrowed down to a problem that occurs in > >>> combination with Firefox only. > >>> > >>> Interestingly it works on my system perfectly, even copying into the > >>> web-email > >>> clients that I use (actually its is more a "do not use", I prefer IMAP > >>> clients). My firefox version is 3.6.8. > >>> > >>> A quick google search brings up: > >>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Clipboard_not_working > >>> > >>> Especially have a look at the paragraph about the rich text client. > >>> > >>> Copy&paste is still something which is strongly desktop/OS dependent > >>> and was > >>> the main reason to keep the previous ("static") report window. > >>> > >>> If someone comes up with a suggestion how to solve that, I am happy to > >>> add the > >>> solution to the code. May I ask what the use case for this procedure > >>> is? Why > >>> not mailing the rails game file instead of the report? > >>> > >>> Stefan > >>> > >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 07:04:36 pm Chris Shaffer wrote: > >>> > Testing on Mac shows that you can copy/paste into a Firefox edit > >>> > window. > >>> > > >>> > Despite our desire to avoid Windows, a significant portion of the > >>> > player > >>> > base are Windows users. Many of them are not technically proficient > >>> > enough > >>> > to switch, nor should we try to force them to do so. > >>> > > >>> > I will test on Windows and Ubuntu this evening. > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Chris > >>> > > >>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Steve Undy > >>> > > >>> > <ste...@gm...>wrote: > >>> > > OK, very interesting. Cut-and-paste works from the report window > >>> > > into > >>> > > Notepad, but not directly into a Firefox edit window. But you can > >>> > > cut-and-paste from that Notepad window into Firefox. Another > >>> > > reason to > >>> > > avoid Windows. > >>> > > > >>> > > (sorry about all the chatter on this) > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Steve Undy > >>> > > st...@ro... > >>> > > > >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Steve Undy > >>> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: > >>> > >> I agree with Chris: It looks like cut-and-paste doesn't work from > >>> > >> the > >>> > >> new report window on Windows (at least not on XP). > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Steve Undy > >>> > >> st...@ro... > >>> > >> > >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chris Shaffer > >>> > >>> <chr...@gm...>wrote: > >>> > >>> Interestingly, it works on my Mac at work. I'll do more testing > >>> > >>> when I > >>> > >>> get home tonight. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Steve Undy > >>> > >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hmmm. Copying from the report window works OK on my linux > >>> > >>>> system. > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> Steve Undy > >>> > >>>> st...@ro... > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chris Shaffer > >>> > >>>> <chr...@gm... > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > wrote: > >>> > >>>>> I'm using 1.4 now, and I can't seem to copy text from the new > >>> > >>>>> report > >>> > >>>>> window to paste it into an email. I've tried on both Windows > >>> > >>>>> and Ubuntu Linux, with the configuration "report window > >>> > >>>>> editable" checked and unchecked on both systems. Any > >>> > >>>>> suggestions? > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> -- > >>> > >>>>> Chris > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stefan Frey > >>> > >>> <ste...@we...>wrote: > >>> > >>>>>> Chris & Erik: > >>> > >>>>>> * Fixed the missing newline in copy&paste from the new report > >>> > >>>>>> window > >>> > >>>>>> (google is your friend). > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> * There is a new configuration window now, which allows to set > >>> > >>>>>> options via an > >>> > >>>>>> UI. I will add some code (similar to the one font changes) > >>> > >>>>>> that makes the > >>> > >>>>>> change immediate and does not require a reload. Supplying both > >>> > >>>>>> simultaneously > >>> > >>>>>> would be possible, but might bring more confusion to newbies > >>> > >>>>>> than > >>> > >>>>>> benefits to > >>> > >>>>>> the experts? > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> * I could change the (static/legacy) report window to the new > >>> > >>>>>> behavior of > >>> > >>>>>> clearing undone actions instead of appending undoing, but then > >>> > >>>>>> the > >>> > >>>>>> difference > >>> > >>>>>> between the two is merely formatting and the availability of > >>> > >>>>>> hyperlinks. Then > >>> > >>>>>> it is easier to deactivate the formatting and hyperlinks than > >>> > >>>>>> to support two > >>> > >>>>>> different subclasses of the ReportWindow. > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> There are two reasons to keep the static version: > >>> > >>>>>> A) For me the static window acts as an accounting trail, thus > >>> > >>>>>> keeps > >>> > >>>>>> track of > >>> > >>>>>> undos explicitly. > >>> > >>>>>> B) For (quite old) computers (or handhelds if Rails gets > >>> > >>>>>> portable in > >>> > >>>>>> the > >>> > >>>>>> future) the JEditorPane is a drag on performance and the whole > >>> > >>>>>> content is > >>> > >>>>>> updated after each action instead of appending as in the > >>> > >>>>>> static case. > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> Stefan > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:31:15 am Chris Shaffer wrote: > >>> > >>>>>> > In that case, could there be an option to enable both report > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> windows, so > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > users can switch back and forth between them within a single > >>> > >>>>>> > game? > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> And > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > without requiring them to edit configuration files and > >>> > >>>>>> > reload? I'd > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> hate to > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > have to choose between one or the other, since they both > >>> > >>>>>> > have lots > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> of > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > utility. > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > -- > >>> > >>>>>> > Chris > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Erik Vos > >>> > >>>>>> > <eri...@xs...> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>>> > > I found that you can do that, but at the rather severe > >>> > >>>>>> > > penalty > >>> > >>>>>> > > of > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> losing > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > all end-of lines. The report becomes one long line. > >>> > >>>>>> > > Better keep to the (what Stefan in his wisdom disposes as) > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> "legacy" > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > report if you want to save or copy it. > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > Erik. > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > ------------------------------ > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > *From:* Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...] > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday 11 August 2010 21:17 > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game > >>> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > Is it still possible to copy text from the Report window > >>> > >>>>>> > > for > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> pasting into > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > > an email? > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > -- > >>> > >>>>>> > > Chris > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this > >>> > >>>>>> > > e-mail. > >>> > >>>>>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stefan Frey > >>> > >>>>>> > > <ste...@we...> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The linked movesets in the CGR 1856 merger inspired a > >>> > >>>>>> > >> feature > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> that > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> proved to > >>> > >>>>>> > >> be surprisingly easy (as it leverages on the excellent > >>> > >>>>>> > >> move/state mechanisms > >>> > >>>>>> > >> in Rails). The downside is that it can be effected by the > >>> > >>>>>> > >> all > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> undo > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> related bugs, but the number of those was on the decrease > >>> > >>>>>> > >> lately. > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The report window now acts as game history: There are > >>> > >>>>>> > >> hyperlinks > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> for > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> each action. Clicking on any of those lets Rails jump to > >>> > >>>>>> > >> that > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> game > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> situation (by > >>> > >>>>>> > >> calling undo repeatedly). Return to a later position is > >>> > >>>>>> > >> possible > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> unless > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> an action is taken (as it is the case for standard redo). > >>> > >>>>>> > >> I also > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> added > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> two buttons (<< and >>) to allow single-step moves. > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> The old report window (which is editable) can be > >>> > >>>>>> > >> activated via > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> the > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Configuration menu (or setting report.window.type to > >>> > >>>>>> > >> static in > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> the > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> legacy configfiles). > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Stefan > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>>>>> ------ ---- > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> ------ This SF.net email is sponsored by > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Make an app 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