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Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history
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From: Phil D. <de...@gm...> - 2010-09-01 00:38:49
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Additional when Dropbox goes wonky (as it is occasionally wont to do) and you haven't yet got the previous file, you can at least play catch up and execute the previous players actions for them. For my personal uses, I play over instant messenger most of the time and copy/paste works into a google chat window fine on my machine. On 1 September 2010 00:50, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote: > This is the use case for me too. Every group with which I've played Rails by > email includes a copy/paste of the most current action, or the entire > current round, in the email so people can follow the action without loading > each individual save file. > > This is partly an issue because loading save files is a bit clunky, as noted > in a previous email where someone pointed out that you have to completely > exit the program in order to load a new file. However, even if it were easy > to load files, the textual summaries are a nice way to track on multiple > games in email, and are also useful when people are in environments (e.g. > work, smartphone) where they can't load the save file. > > -- > Chris > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Steve Undy <ste...@gm...> > wrote: >> >> The use model I'm familiar with (there are probably others) involves using >> DropBox to share/distribute the save file and sending an email reminder to >> the players with an excerpt from the report window that describes the latest >> move. This way, all players can keep track of what is happening in the game >> without having to open the save file. >> >> Steve Undy >> st...@ro... >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: >>> >>> It seems that this can be narrowed down to a problem that occurs in >>> combination with Firefox only. >>> >>> Interestingly it works on my system perfectly, even copying into the >>> web-email >>> clients that I use (actually its is more a "do not use", I prefer IMAP >>> clients). My firefox version is 3.6.8. >>> >>> A quick google search brings up: >>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Clipboard_not_working >>> >>> Especially have a look at the paragraph about the rich text client. >>> >>> Copy&paste is still something which is strongly desktop/OS dependent and >>> was >>> the main reason to keep the previous ("static") report window. >>> >>> If someone comes up with a suggestion how to solve that, I am happy to >>> add the >>> solution to the code. May I ask what the use case for this procedure is? >>> Why >>> not mailing the rails game file instead of the report? >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 07:04:36 pm Chris Shaffer wrote: >>> > Testing on Mac shows that you can copy/paste into a Firefox edit >>> > window. >>> > >>> > Despite our desire to avoid Windows, a significant portion of the >>> > player >>> > base are Windows users. Many of them are not technically proficient >>> > enough >>> > to switch, nor should we try to force them to do so. >>> > >>> > I will test on Windows and Ubuntu this evening. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Chris >>> > >>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Steve Undy >>> > <ste...@gm...>wrote: >>> > > OK, very interesting. Cut-and-paste works from the report window >>> > > into >>> > > Notepad, but not directly into a Firefox edit window. But you can >>> > > cut-and-paste from that Notepad window into Firefox. Another reason >>> > > to >>> > > avoid Windows. >>> > > >>> > > (sorry about all the chatter on this) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Steve Undy >>> > > st...@ro... >>> > > >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Steve Undy >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: >>> > >> I agree with Chris: It looks like cut-and-paste doesn't work from >>> > >> the >>> > >> new report window on Windows (at least not on XP). >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> Steve Undy >>> > >> st...@ro... >>> > >> >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chris Shaffer >>> <chr...@gm...>wrote: >>> > >>> Interestingly, it works on my Mac at work. I'll do more testing >>> > >>> when I >>> > >>> get home tonight. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> -- >>> > >>> Chris >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Steve Undy >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote: >>> > >>>> Hmmm. Copying from the report window works OK on my linux system. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Steve Undy >>> > >>>> st...@ro... >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chris Shaffer >>> > >>>> <chr...@gm... >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > wrote: >>> > >>>>> I'm using 1.4 now, and I can't seem to copy text from the new >>> > >>>>> report >>> > >>>>> window to paste it into an email. I've tried on both Windows and >>> > >>>>> Ubuntu Linux, with the configuration "report window editable" >>> > >>>>> checked and unchecked on both systems. Any suggestions? >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> -- >>> > >>>>> Chris >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stefan Frey >>> <ste...@we...>wrote: >>> > >>>>>> Chris & Erik: >>> > >>>>>> * Fixed the missing newline in copy&paste from the new report >>> > >>>>>> window >>> > >>>>>> (google is your friend). >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> * There is a new configuration window now, which allows to set >>> > >>>>>> options via an >>> > >>>>>> UI. I will add some code (similar to the one font changes) that >>> > >>>>>> makes the >>> > >>>>>> change immediate and does not require a reload. Supplying both >>> > >>>>>> simultaneously >>> > >>>>>> would be possible, but might bring more confusion to newbies >>> > >>>>>> than >>> > >>>>>> benefits to >>> > >>>>>> the experts? >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> * I could change the (static/legacy) report window to the new >>> > >>>>>> behavior of >>> > >>>>>> clearing undone actions instead of appending undoing, but then >>> > >>>>>> the >>> > >>>>>> difference >>> > >>>>>> between the two is merely formatting and the availability of >>> > >>>>>> hyperlinks. Then >>> > >>>>>> it is easier to deactivate the formatting and hyperlinks than to >>> > >>>>>> support two >>> > >>>>>> different subclasses of the ReportWindow. >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> There are two reasons to keep the static version: >>> > >>>>>> A) For me the static window acts as an accounting trail, thus >>> > >>>>>> keeps >>> > >>>>>> track of >>> > >>>>>> undos explicitly. >>> > >>>>>> B) For (quite old) computers (or handhelds if Rails gets >>> > >>>>>> portable in >>> > >>>>>> the >>> > >>>>>> future) the JEditorPane is a drag on performance and the whole >>> > >>>>>> content is >>> > >>>>>> updated after each action instead of appending as in the static >>> > >>>>>> case. >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> Stefan >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:31:15 am Chris Shaffer wrote: >>> > >>>>>> > In that case, could there be an option to enable both report >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> windows, so >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > users can switch back and forth between them within a single >>> > >>>>>> > game? >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> And >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > without requiring them to edit configuration files and reload? >>> > >>>>>> > I'd >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> hate to >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > have to choose between one or the other, since they both have >>> > >>>>>> > lots >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> of >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > utility. >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > -- >>> > >>>>>> > Chris >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>> > >>>>>> > > I found that you can do that, but at the rather severe >>> > >>>>>> > > penalty >>> > >>>>>> > > of >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> losing >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > > all end-of lines. The report becomes one long line. >>> > >>>>>> > > Better keep to the (what Stefan in his wisdom disposes as) >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> "legacy" >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > > report if you want to save or copy it. >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > Erik. >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > ------------------------------ >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > *From:* Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...] >>> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday 11 August 2010 21:17 >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game >>> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > Is it still possible to copy text from the Report window for >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> pasting into >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > > an email? >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > -- >>> > >>>>>> > > Chris >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stefan Frey >>> > >>>>>> > > <ste...@we...> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>> > >>>>>> > >> The linked movesets in the CGR 1856 merger inspired a >>> > >>>>>> > >> feature >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> that >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> proved to >>> > >>>>>> > >> be surprisingly easy (as it leverages on the excellent >>> > >>>>>> > >> move/state mechanisms >>> > >>>>>> > >> in Rails). The downside is that it can be effected by the >>> > >>>>>> > >> all >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> undo >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> related bugs, but the number of those was on the decrease >>> > >>>>>> > >> lately. >>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>>>>> > >> The report window now acts as game history: There are >>> > >>>>>> > >> hyperlinks >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> for >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> each action. Clicking on any of those lets Rails jump to >>> > >>>>>> > >> that >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> game >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> situation (by >>> > >>>>>> > >> calling undo repeatedly). Return to a later position is >>> > >>>>>> > >> possible >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> unless >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> an action is taken (as it is the case for standard redo). I >>> > >>>>>> > >> also >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> added >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> two buttons (<< and >>) to allow single-step moves. >>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>>>>> > >> The old report window (which is editable) can be activated >>> > >>>>>> > >> via >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> the >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> Configuration menu (or setting report.window.type to static >>> > >>>>>> > >> in >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> the >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> legacy configfiles). >>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>>>>> > >> Stefan >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>>>>> ---- >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > >> ------ This SF.net email is sponsored by >>> > >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>>>>> > >> Make an app they can't live without >>> > >>>>>> > >> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >>> > >>>>>> > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev >>> > >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>>>> > >> Rails-devel mailing list >>> > >>>>>> > >> Rai...@li... >>> > >>>>>> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>>>>> ----- >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> > > ----- This SF.net email is sponsored by >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > Make an app they can't live without >>> > >>>>>> > > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >>> > >>>>>> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev >>> > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>>>> > > Rails-devel mailing list >>> > >>>>>> > > Rai...@li... >>> > >>>>>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>>>>> ---------- This SF.net email is sponsored by >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> Make an app they can't live without >>> > >>>>>> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >>> > >>>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev >>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>>>> Rails-devel mailing list >>> > >>>>>> Rai...@li... >>> > >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>>>> --------- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Show off your parallel programming skills. >>> > >>>>> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. >>> > >>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>>> Rails-devel mailing list >>> > >>>>> Rai...@li... >>> > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>>> -------- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Show off your parallel programming skills. >>> > >>>> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. >>> > >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>> Rails-devel mailing list >>> > >>>> Rai...@li... >>> > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: >>> >>> Show off your parallel programming skills. >>> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rails-devel mailing list >>> Rai...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: >> >> Show off your parallel programming skills. >> Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails-devel mailing list >> Rai...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: > > Show off your parallel programming skills. > Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > > |
