Re: [Rails-devel] 1851 - Operating Company can't sell a share twice in one turn

[NetGamer <net...@tw...>]

I filed this bug. Phil hit the nail on the head - I didn't catch there 
being a drop down to allow selecting more than one share to put in the 
pool at once and was expecting to be able to repeat the action - as 
desired.

To the other point that was raised around the net impact being the same: 
1851 ruleset is a bit different but is intended to be more friendly to 
new players. Selling off a treasury share one at a time during one's 
operating round would be in the spirit of the design - more friendly.

-Ron

Phil Davies wrote:
> I don't believe there is a general consensus among all players but I
> would like to think that the prevailing opinion is that in games where
> selling a 'block' of shares causes a price drop, you cannot sell 1,
> then sell 1, then sell 1 without passing in between and allowing other
> people to react.  If you specifically want to sell to drop the price
> and are happy to take the hit then you have to sell, let the other
> players have a turn each to react, then sell again.
>
> Now, this refers to stock round actions and 1851 where a company is
> selling/buying is an operating round action.  It's not clear from the
> rules I agree but the way we always play these games face to face is
> that each company gets one 'transaction', that is either sell or buy,
> and if you can do as many certs as you like in that transaction.  We
> mostly apply this to EU.
>
> This is only really an issue when you drop one row per block, that
> doesn't happen in 1851, so despite the fact that the 'correct' way of
> doing it would be to just choose to sell all the shares you want in
> the first transaction, someone could theoretically sell 1, sell 1,
> sell 1 and it won't make any difference to the gamestate than selling
> 3 in one transaction, so in this case it should be allowed (despite
> the fact that the user could just click 'undo' then sell the correct
> number of shares as a faster way of doing it.  I'm just trying to
> think of what makes a more pleasant user experience, they shouldn't
> really be left confused because they didn't spot the dropdown box on
> the sell screen
>
> Phil
>
> On 15 July 2010 22:49, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
>   
>> A current open bug report for 1851:
>>     
>>> When I try to sell a second company share during that company's operating
>>> round, Rails says I can't sell after buying. This appears to be
>>> inconsistent with the rules.
>>>       
>> refers to the fact that it is not possible to sell other shares from the
>> Treasury after a first sell transaction (and the error message is confusing).
>>
>> Question is, similar to the discussion we had previously on selling in
>> separate transactions but same player turn in 1835, 1830 and 1870:
>>
>> Should the second transaction use the initial price at the start of the
>> players turn (thus identical to the one used for the first transaction) or
>> the reduced price taking the the stock market reaction into account?
>>
>> I have not found a ruling in 1851, thus I am inclined to follow the current
>> standard implementation in Rails (identical to the first transaction),
>> however - if I remember correctly - there was no general consensus for this
>> (at least for 1830).
>>
>> Stefan
>>
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