Re: [Rails-devel] 1851 - Operating Company can't sell a share twicein one turn

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

In Rails, all sell *actions* of shares of the same company (without
intervening buy action) constitute one *transaction*, for the purpose of
price setting and/or price movement.

The one game that necessitates this behaviour is 1835, where most companies
have both (non-president) 10% and 20%, or 5% and 10% share certificates. The
Rails selling mechanic allows selling only one such share unit type in one
*action*. So if you want to sell one 5% share and one 10% share of PR at the
same price, two actions are required to make one transaction.

That's the main reason behind this behaviour. And yes, it precludes repeated
selling in one turn at a lower price after each action, as some people would
like to have it. We could add an option that allows this, but that option,
when selected, would have a probably unwanted side effect on 1835.

Erik.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Davies [mailto:de...@gm...] 
Sent: Friday 16 July 2010 10:28
To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] 1851 - Operating Company can't sell a share
twicein one turn

I don't believe there is a general consensus among all players but I
would like to think that the prevailing opinion is that in games where
selling a 'block' of shares causes a price drop, you cannot sell 1,
then sell 1, then sell 1 without passing in between and allowing other
people to react.  If you specifically want to sell to drop the price
and are happy to take the hit then you have to sell, let the other
players have a turn each to react, then sell again.

Now, this refers to stock round actions and 1851 where a company is
selling/buying is an operating round action.  It's not clear from the
rules I agree but the way we always play these games face to face is
that each company gets one 'transaction', that is either sell or buy,
and if you can do as many certs as you like in that transaction.  We
mostly apply this to EU.

This is only really an issue when you drop one row per block, that
doesn't happen in 1851, so despite the fact that the 'correct' way of
doing it would be to just choose to sell all the shares you want in
the first transaction, someone could theoretically sell 1, sell 1,
sell 1 and it won't make any difference to the gamestate than selling
3 in one transaction, so in this case it should be allowed (despite
the fact that the user could just click 'undo' then sell the correct
number of shares as a faster way of doing it.  I'm just trying to
think of what makes a more pleasant user experience, they shouldn't
really be left confused because they didn't spot the dropdown box on
the sell screen

Phil

On 15 July 2010 22:49, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
> A current open bug report for 1851:
>> When I try to sell a second company share during that company's operating
>> round, Rails says I can't sell after buying. This appears to be
>> inconsistent with the rules.
> refers to the fact that it is not possible to sell other shares from the
> Treasury after a first sell transaction (and the error message is
confusing).
>
> Question is, similar to the discussion we had previously on selling in
> separate transactions but same player turn in 1835, 1830 and 1870:
>
> Should the second transaction use the initial price at the start of the
> players turn (thus identical to the one used for the first transaction) or
> the reduced price taking the the stock market reaction into account?
>
> I have not found a ruling in 1851, thus I am inclined to follow the
current
> standard implementation in Rails (identical to the first transaction),
> however - if I remember correctly - there was no general consensus for
this
> (at least for 1830).
>
> Stefan
>
>
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