Re: [Rails-devel] 1835 share selling

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I think Rails should support both interpretations, as clearly there are some
groups playing with the "wrong" interpretation and it is better to support
them than to alienate them.

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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> I did some research here and it seems that even the German and English 2nd
> edition rules themselves are conflicting.
> However I belong to a weak minority here.
>
> So I believe that there is no real need to support that. I liked the
> increased
> strategy space, but I can live with out it.
>
> Stefan
>
> Some more results:
> Lemmi's moderator only allows playing according to the interpretation
> inline
> with the English rules.
>
> I compared it with some of the rules that share the same entry in the 18xx
> difference list: "2.7 - Does the stock price drop when stock is sold?"
>
> 1800, 1824, 1835, 1838 Rheinland, 1844, 1848, 1862, 1895, 18Rhl Rhineland,
> 2038:  Yes, 1 row per block.
> (However what exactly a "block" is, is not defined.)
>
> At least the rules of 1824, 1844 and 1848 (all in the domain of Helmut
> Ohley)
> support the English rules interpretation.
>
> For Erik:
> Link to the German "second edition rules" on boardgamegeek:
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/26018/1835-spielregeln-pdf
>
> which supports the interpretation that two sell actions are possible in one
> turn with different prices.
> (As I used to play with those guys who edited the second edition not
> surprisingly I thought that this is the correct one).
>
> According to the English translation on boardgamegeek
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/30065/1835-rules-in-english
>
> Which gives a nearly identical example to the one in the German edition in
> 2.6.3.3, but replaces the German word "Aktion" by "Turn".
>
> Other paragraphs (see below) define that each "Zug"(turn) in each share
> round
> consists of an unlimited number of sell "Aktionen". Sell actions are
> packages
> of shares of one company and the share price drops one row immediately
> after
> each sell action.
>
>
> On Saturday 06 March 2010 13:52:23 Erik Vos wrote:
> > To avoid misunderstandings here: 1835 includes the "evil" rule, which I
> > think
> > offers an interesting choice: Receive more money or receive less  money
> to
> > trash another players stock.
> >
> > The precise ruless of 1835 are (all references are 2nd edition German
> > rules).
> > * Each sell transaction contains 1-x number of shares of one company.
> > (2.6.3.1)
> > * For each sell transaction the price drops by one row, regardless of the
> > number of shares involved. (2.6.3.3.)
> >
> > 2.6.3.3. also contains the explicit example of two sell transactions in a
> > row
> > to achieve a two-row drop.
> >
> > [EV] I only have the English rules which are numbered differently, but
> the
> > example given there only explicitly mentions two sell transactions in
> > *different* turns. Are the German rules downloadable anywhere?
> >
> > To implement that in Rails my suggestion would be:
> > If the same player initiates a second sell transaction for the same
> company
> > in
> > a single SR turn, then she gets the choice to include that share in the
> > previous transaction (no impact) or to start a new sell transaction
> > (another
> >
> > drop).
> >
> > [EV] Indeed. The whole discussion is about what a "transaction" is, and
> > this would be the easiest way out: let the player define it. I'm still
> not
> > convinced that adding this option is worth the effort (I think it'll take
> > creating a new specialized Dialog class), but if other people are, fine
> > with me.
> >
> >
> >
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