Re: [Rails-devel] 1835 share selling

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

I did some research here and it seems that even the German and English 2nd 
edition rules themselves are conflicting.
However I belong to a weak minority here.

So I believe that there is no real need to support that. I liked the increased 
strategy space, but I can live with out it.

Stefan

Some more results:
Lemmi's moderator only allows playing according to the interpretation inline 
with the English rules. 

I compared it with some of the rules that share the same entry in the 18xx 
difference list: "2.7 - Does the stock price drop when stock is sold?"

1800, 1824, 1835, 1838 Rheinland, 1844, 1848, 1862, 1895, 18Rhl Rhineland, 
2038:  Yes, 1 row per block.
(However what exactly a "block" is, is not defined.)

At least the rules of 1824, 1844 and 1848 (all in the domain of Helmut Ohley) 
support the English rules interpretation. 

For Erik:
Link to the German "second edition rules" on boardgamegeek:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/26018/1835-spielregeln-pdf

which supports the interpretation that two sell actions are possible in one 
turn with different prices.
(As I used to play with those guys who edited the second edition not 
surprisingly I thought that this is the correct one).

According to the English translation on boardgamegeek
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/30065/1835-rules-in-english

Which gives a nearly identical example to the one in the German edition in 
2.6.3.3, but replaces the German word "Aktion" by "Turn". 

Other paragraphs (see below) define that each "Zug"(turn) in each share round 
consists of an unlimited number of sell "Aktionen". Sell actions are packages 
of shares of one company and the share price drops one row immediately after 
each sell action.


On Saturday 06 March 2010 13:52:23 Erik Vos wrote:
> To avoid misunderstandings here: 1835 includes the "evil" rule, which I
> think
> offers an interesting choice: Receive more money or receive less  money to
> trash another players stock.
>
> The precise ruless of 1835 are (all references are 2nd edition German
> rules).
> * Each sell transaction contains 1-x number of shares of one company.
> (2.6.3.1)
> * For each sell transaction the price drops by one row, regardless of the
> number of shares involved. (2.6.3.3.)
>
> 2.6.3.3. also contains the explicit example of two sell transactions in a
> row
> to achieve a two-row drop.
>
> [EV] I only have the English rules which are numbered differently, but the
> example given there only explicitly mentions two sell transactions in
> *different* turns. Are the German rules downloadable anywhere?
>
> To implement that in Rails my suggestion would be:
> If the same player initiates a second sell transaction for the same company
> in
> a single SR turn, then she gets the choice to include that share in the
> previous transaction (no impact) or to start a new sell transaction
> (another
>
> drop).
>
> [EV] Indeed. The whole discussion is about what a "transaction" is, and
> this would be the easiest way out: let the player define it. I'm still not
> convinced that adding this option is worth the effort (I think it'll take
> creating a new specialized Dialog class), but if other people are, fine
> with me.
>
>
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