Re: [Rails-devel] Default timezone

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

It's clear that Rails currently lacks two important features, which make it
hard to use for computer novices:

1. There is no good and hardened installation procedure. Ideally,
installation would proceed smoothly by running an executable, as so many
other applications have. I suppose we would need separate versions for
Windows, Max and Linux then.

2. The properties we're talking about cannot be modified via the GUI, and
remembered afterwards. The latter requirement implies, that the properties
would be held in a file outside the jar. The installation procedure should
take care of setting that up correctly.

So, all we need is a volunteer who knows how to implement these
requirements, and can make building such installation sets a repeatable
process. Anyone?

Erik.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Black [mailto:jim...@ya...] 
Sent: Saturday 30 January 2010 01:43
To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Default timezone


Another comment re: ease-of-use in simply launching rails- re: my.properties
for rails options, and java command-line options (whether buried in bat/sh
files or not) - this approach can be very quickly complicated by
environmental issues-

- the user's current-directory when rails is launched (eg, where rails is
launched, with different users and tables), 

- user difficulty of indirect command associations to java/rails command
lines throughout, vs normal windows/mac application preferences and etc

- running multiple rails versions on one machine- but wanting to maintain
these preferences, once, across versions 

- and, finally, but most problematically- installs and upgrades:  this fixup
needs to be done by the pbem novice, each and every time they download a new
rails package/version.  (to get going properly in the first place, and then
to upgrade later.) 

None of this is at all familiar to the novice- nor necessarily trivial,
either.  

We should hope non-experts will be fine with Rails' defaults, as is;
changing them gets very awkward, quickly, in practice.

On the other hand- on balance, is there a substantial benefit for Rails'
current file-naming default, where all names are coined within the current
user's timezone?   (Rather than simply GMT, for example.)  

best,
 - jim




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