Re: [Rails-devel] Save file names

[Jim B. <jim...@ya...>]

Ideally, I think- Rails wouldn't 'foresee' anything- it would just  
give the user an explicit action/button/etc that means "this whole  
turn is now complete".

This would only be /after/ everything else was "Done", presumably (or,  
by implication).

Until that was pressed- the turn is not finished, current-player does  
not advance, simple "undo" will reverse within this session, etc.   
Then, as you hint below, there might be a specific "End Turn" button/ 
action that would explicitly finish that turn, completely (and,  
possibly save the game file, update the current player to the next  
player/railroad, etc).

I guess whatever 'Done' is doing now, it would presumably need to keep  
doing- because, as you said, it's not the same as "End Turn".

In summary- from a pbem perspective, the "done with this action" and  
"end this whole turn" actions seem quite distinct (even orthogonal) -  
different  fundamental meaning, different user intent, etc.

This is just how I think about it, as we discuss it- I dunno what  
rails is doing under-the-hood, what would be easiest, etc.

cheers,
  - jim


On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Erik Vos wrote:

> I believe the idea was to *replace* Done by End Turn in specific  
> cases.
>
> Some thoughts:
>
> 1. This requires the game engine to "foresee" that a Done action will
> end the turn *before* updating the UI, rather than that it "discovers"
> the turn being finished *after* Done is pressed, as is currently the  
> case.
>
> In many cases this will be easy, but it gets tricky in games where  
> the last
> OR step is not always executed. Examples are 1851 and 18EU, where
> companies may execute their last OR step (trading shares) only from
> their second OR. And 18EU minors always skip that step.
>
> So it could mean creating separate end-of-turn checks in multiple  
> places.
>
> 2. It can only be done if there is a Done button to start with.
> That is not the case in start rounds, where 'End Turn' is implicit
> in all player actions. Not having a separate End Turn there means
> introducing some inconsistency in applying this idea.
>
>
> None of these thoughts mean that it is not feasible, but only that
> we cannot assume that it is easy to do in a consistent way.
>
> Erik.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Black [mailto:jim...@ya...]
>> Sent: Tuesday 24 November 2009 01:46
>> To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Save file names
>>
>>>> Perhaps, as I think about it, the only thing we need is to replace
>>>> "Done" with two distinct strings: "End Phase" and "End Turn".
>>>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> I agree, this model really goes in the right direction.
>>
>> On the one hand, there's a simple action/button to simply
>> 'continue /
>> done / etc', used in a variety of ways - done buying trains,
>> continue
>> after taking a loan or something, or etc.
>>
>> The other button/action is, literally, 'End Turn':  it's much more
>> decisive, it marks the spot to archive a completed move,
>> progress turn-
>> order, etc....
>>
>>  - jim
>>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Chris Shaffer wrote:
>>
>>>> Perhaps, as I think about it, the only thing we need is to replace
>>>> "Done" with two distinct strings: "End Phase" and "End Turn".
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> I like this model and it certainly has a lot to recommend it.  One
>>> extension could be having "End Turn" trigger an autosave and perhaps
>>> as a later enhancement an email (for pbem) or token updated
>> (for live
>>> online play).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris
>>>
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