Re: [Rails-devel] Bug in 18EU

[brett l. <wak...@gm...>]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Erik Vos <eri...@hc...> wrote:
> I noticed (a bit late) that several people have entered
> quite a number of bug reports during the last week.
> Many thanks to Jim Black, Chris Shaffer and Andrew Pullin
> to enter these reports. It is gratifying to see that Rails
> is now being seriously used in several groups, and that
> errors are being actively reported to help improving quality
> of this game system.
>
> I have read and commented upon most of these reports now,
> and applied quite a number of fixes. I'll post
> a summary later. One bug report to go now.
>
> Brett, I would propose to publish another release candidate
> later this week, after I have gone through all of this,
> and you have done your part.
> I would like to give these people a chance to test the applies
> fixes, and also a little leeway to report any more bugs.
>

Another release candidate is fine by me.  I'm really happy to see the
activity, as well.

> It must be said, that several bugs proved to be quite destructive
> for game play, and I would like to get version 1.0.7
> as correct as we can get it in reasonable time.
> The last few releases turned out to be buggier than expected,
> and I'm willing and have time to pay some extra attention to quality.
>

Agreed. Adding new features, like a whole new game, means lots of new
potential for bugs.


> I hope that the US vacation week will not get in the way too much for you.
>

It actually makes things easier for me.  More free time to work on this. :-)

> Regards,
> Erik.
>


---Brett.

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: brett lentz [mailto:wak...@gm...]
>> Sent: Tuesday 17 November 2009 00:40
>> To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Bug in 18EU
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Erik Vos <eri...@hc...> wrote:
>> > Oh, I now see that several more bug reports have been
>> entered into the
>> > Tracker.
>> > I'll have a pass through the list this week to see if
>> there's anything else
>> > that urgently needs a fix.
>> >
>> > Brett, there is a report on rails.sh having ^M at end of
>> line, which seems
>> > harmful.
>> > Can you check that one?
>> >
>>
>> Ah, yeah. I can handle that one.  That's what I get for editing the
>> file on my Windows box. :-\
>>
>> > Erik.
>> >
>>
>>
>> ---Brett.
>>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Erik Vos [mailto:eri...@hc...]
>> >> Sent: Monday 16 November 2009 23:28
>> >> To: 'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Bug in 18EU
>> >>
>> >> Jim,
>> >>
>> >> Same problem, same fix.
>> >> I agree that a final release can be done now, unless someone
>> >> finds another
>> >> bug before the weekend.
>> >>
>> >> Erik.
>> >>
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Jim Black [mailto:jim...@ya...]
>> >> > Sent: Monday 16 November 2009 20:36
>> >> > To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Bug in 18EU
>> >> >
>> >> > I've encountered the same bug chris mentions, below- can't
>> >> > bid amounts
>> >> > once the privates are in auction (the 'spinner', I
>> gather), and we
>> >> > must increment strictly in $5's.  (I  was unable to play
>> >> forward one
>> >> > pbem game because I couldn't contrive $5 raises to match
>> >> the actualy
>> >> > bidding.)  I think some people play that you must raise in $5's,
>> >> > although I don't think that's the conventional/popular ruling.
>> >> >
>> >> > I did notice that rc2 did fix the stock-adjustment at the
>> >> > floor of the
>> >> > market probem I reported- thanks!   We're moving again with
>> >> our 1830
>> >> > pbem game, this was much appreciated.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, I saw that impassable hex boundaries are now clearly
>> >> outlined-
>> >> > very nice, and thanks for that improvement too.
>> >> >
>> >> > I haven't had time to digest the latest re:
>> >> > current-dir/dropbox/token/
>> >> > real-time-load/etc, but I'll try to provide some feedback
>> >> > there later
>> >> > too.
>> >> >
>> >> >   - jim
>> >> >
>> >> > On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Erik Vos wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > This bug has been fixed in the source code base. Ths fix
>> >> > will be in
>> >> > > the next
>> >> > > release (candidate).
>> >> > > In one place, the amount field (spinner) was not enabled
>> >> together
>> >> > > with the
>> >> > > Bid button; this omission only surfaced when a game
>> was reloaded.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Not sure if this fix is worth a new release candidate; in
>> >> > any case I
>> >> > > don't
>> >> > > have any more time today to try creating one.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Erik.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >> From: Erik Vos [mailto:eri...@hc...]
>> >> > >> Sent: Sunday 15 November 2009 23:37
>> >> > >> To: 'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'
>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Bug in 18EU
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Strange. After loading your file I see the problem, but not
>> >> > >> if I replay it
>> >> > >> manually.
>> >> > >> The only explanation I can think of now, is that screen
>> >> > >> updating after a
>> >> > >> load
>> >> > >> is in some respect different than when playing manually from
>> >> > >> the start.
>> >> > >> And I must say that the location of the action to
>> >> > >> enable/disable this input
>> >> > >> field
>> >> > >> in the code is somewhat suspect. So I do have food for
>> >> > >> investigation now.
>> >> > >> Stay tuned.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >>> From: Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...]
>> >> > >>> Sent: Sunday 15 November 2009 22:36
>> >> > >>> To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>> >> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Bug in 18EU
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> It's been there since we began the game.  Here is the most
>> >> > >>> recent save file.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> --
>> >> > >>> Chris
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Erik Vos
>> >> > >> <eri...@hc...> wrote:
>> >> > >>>> Did this not occur at the start of the round but
>> only later on?
>> >> > >>>> In that case, a saved file might help. A copy of the log
>> >> > >>> file would also
>> >> > >>>> help.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Without any means to reproduce such a case, there isn't
>> >> > >>> much I can do.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Erik.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >>>>> From: Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...]
>> >> > >>>>> Sent: Sunday 15 November 2009 19:36
>> >> > >>>>> To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>> >> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Bug in 18EU
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> The spinner is greyed out and disabled in our game, as
>> >> > >> is the text
>> >> > >>>>> entry area for the bid amount, using version 1.06.  Two
>> >> > >>> players have
>> >> > >>>>> verified it.  Clicking the Bid button bids the current
>> >> > amount and
>> >> > >>>>> increments the bid amount by 5.  Nothing else we do
>> >> changes the
>> >> > >>>>> spinner or the bid amount.  I've attached a screenshot.
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Any suggestions?
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> --
>> >> > >>>>> Chris
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing
>> this e-mail.
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Erik Vos
>> >> > >>> <eri...@hc...> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>> 18EU will not let players place an initial bid higher
>> >> > >>> than 100, nor
>> >> > >>>>>>> will it allow players to increase the current bid by
>> >> > >>> more than 5.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> ??
>> >> > >>>>>> For me, adding any multiple of 5 works allright, both
>> >> > >> by clicking
>> >> > >>>>>> the spinner at the right of the bid amount field,
>> >> and by typing
>> >> > >>>>>> the amount into that field. This is so both in version
>> >> > >>> 1.0.6 and in
>> >> > >>>>>> the current code base, and also both for the initial and
>> >> > >>>>> for later bids.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> So I'm really at a loss what makes you having the
>> >> > >> experience that
>> >> > >>>>>> this all wouldn't be possible.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> I've also submitted this as a bug.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> However, I need to know if it's possible to override this
>> >> > >>>>> and allow a
>> >> > >>>>>>> player to purchase an item for a price other than that
>> >> > >>>>> forced by the
>> >> > >>>>>>> program?
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> See above.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> Currently there is no correction mode, as exists
>> in Lemmi's
>> >> > >>>>> moderator.
>> >> > >>>>>> I've been thinking about that, and I suppose that the
>> >> > >> most wanted
>> >> > >>>>>> correction feature would be shifting money
>> between any pair
>> >> > >>>>> of cash holders.
>> >> > >>>>>> That should be faily easily to add in version 1.0.8 or so.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> Erik.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
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