Thread: [qvwm-devel] new util release

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hi 
new util package ready for download
i finished background changer
and renew screenshoot
Best Regards 
M.Ali VARDAR

 Cuando: dom, 19 de oct de 2003, a las 06:58:48 +0300
 Quien: ali...@tt...
 Que: [qvwm-devel] new util release

> new util package ready for download
> i finished background changer
> and renew screenshoot

  =BFIs there any URL for downloading? I'm interested in testing it.=20

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Benjam=EDn Albi=F1ana P=E9rez

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:21:45 +0200, Benjam=EDn Albi=F1ana P=E9rez wrote
>  Quien: ali...@tt...
>  Que: [qvwm-devel] new util release
>=20
> > new util package ready for download
> > i finished background changer
> > and renew screenshoot
>=20
> =BFIs there any URL for downloading? I'm interested in testing it.=20

Hi Benjam=EDn,

Ali's qvwm web page is here:

  http://www.linuxprogramlama.com/index.php?sayfa=3Dqvwm.htm

Please let us know what you think of it! :-)

Mitch.

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On Monday 20 October 2003 08:2320pm, Mitch Davis wrote:

> Ali's qvwm web page is here:

>   http://www.linuxprogramlama.com/index.php?sayfa=3Dqvwm.htm

> Please let us know what you think of it! :-)

I can't compile it in my system:

I've downloaded  qvwm-14102003.tar.gz  qvwm-19102003util.tar.gz

tar xvzf qvwm-14102003.tar.gz
cd qvwm/
=2E/configure
make
make install

Making install in man
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
make  install-man1
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
/bin/sh ../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/man/man1
 /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 qvwm.1x /usr/local/man/man1/qvwm.1x
/usr/bin/install: `qvwm.1x' is a directory
make[3]: *** [install-man1] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
make[2]: *** [install-man] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1

Any idea?

P.S.: Can anyone check the mailing list configuration? The default=20
"respond to" seems set to be the sender instead that to the list.=20

Salut,
Sinner
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Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
 >>Ali's qvwm web page is here:
 >
 >>  http://www.linuxprogramlama.com/index.php?sayfa=qvwm.htm
 >
 >>Please let us know what you think of it! :-)
 >
 > I can't compile it in my system
 >
 > I've downloaded  qvwm-14102003.tar.gz  qvwm-19102003util.tar.gz
 >
 > tar xvzf qvwm-14102003.tar.gz
 > cd qvwm/
 > ./configure
 > make
 > make install
 >
 >
 > Making install in man
 > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
 > make[2]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
 > make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
 > make  install-man1
 > make[3]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
 > /bin/sh ../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/man/man1
 >  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 qvwm.1x /usr/local/man/man1/qvwm.1x
 > /usr/bin/install: `qvwm.1x' is a directory
 > make[3]: *** [install-man1] Error 1
 > make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
 > make[2]: *** [install-man] Error 2
 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
 > make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2
 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
 > make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1

Hi Sinner,

I had exactly the same problem.  See points 2 and 3 below:

   http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3289496&forum_id=35723

For what it's worth, Ali hasn't fixed the problems.  I have
put diagnosing the configure problem onto my TODO list...

Mitch.

i upload new files i fixed minor

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:10:41 +1100
Mitch Davis <mj...@al...> wrote:

> Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
>  >>Ali's qvwm web page is here:
>  >
>  >>  http://www.linuxprogramlama.com/index.php?sayfa=qvwm.htm
>  >
>  >>Please let us know what you think of it! :-)
>  >
>  > I can't compile it in my system
>  >
>  > I've downloaded  qvwm-14102003.tar.gz  qvwm-19102003util.tar.gz
>  >
>  > tar xvzf qvwm-14102003.tar.gz
>  > cd qvwm/
>  > ./configure
>  > make
>  > make install
>  >
>  >
>  > Making install in man
>  > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
>  > make[2]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
>  > make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
>  > make  install-man1
>  > make[3]: Entering directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
>  > /bin/sh ../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/man/man1
>  >  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 qvwm.1x /usr/local/man/man1/qvwm.1x
>  > /usr/bin/install: `qvwm.1x' is a directory
>  > make[3]: *** [install-man1] Error 1
>  > make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
>  > make[2]: *** [install-man] Error 2
>  > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
>  > make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2
>  > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
>  > make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> 
> Hi Sinner,
> 
> I had exactly the same problem.  See points 2 and 3 below:
> 
>    http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3289496&forum_id=35723
> 
> For what it's worth, Ali hasn't fixed the problems.  I have
> put diagnosing the configure problem onto my TODO list...
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
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On Monday 27 October 2003 03:26 pm, ali...@tt... wrote:
> i upload new files i fixed minor

Hi Ali,

Thank you very much!   I'll try it tonight.

> >  > I can't compile it in my system
> >  > make[3]: *** [install-man1] Error 1
> >  > make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
> >  > make[2]: *** [install-man] Error 2
> >  > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
> >  > make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2
> >  > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sinner/qvwm/qvwm/man'
> >  > make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1

Salut,
Sinner
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On Monday 27 October 2003 01:51 pm, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> > i upload new files i fixed minor
>
> Hi Ali,
>
> Thank you very much!   I'll try it tonight.

Well, this didn't fix the problem. Also, I noticed that the contents in the
tarball are organized in a very different way than the old one.

Is there a reason behind such massive code reorganization?

Salut,
Sinner
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Sinner wrote:

 > I can't compile it in my system
 >
 > /bin/sh ../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/man/man1
 > /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 qvwm.1x /usr/local/man/man1/qvwm.1x
 > /usr/bin/install: `qvwm.1x' is a directory
 > make[3]: *** [install-man1] Error 1

Mitch Davis wrote:

 >I had exactly the same problem.  See points 2 and 3 below:
 >
 >   http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3289496&forum_id=35723
 >
 >For what it's worth, Ali hasn't fixed the problems.  I have
 >put diagnosing the configure problem onto my TODO list...

ali...@tt... wrote:
> i upload new files i fixed minor

You uploaded new files, but it didn't fix Sinner's problem,
even though replying to his mail suggests that the new files
would fix it. :-(

I had a look at the problem and found and fixed it.

It seems that the AC_LINK_FILES directive used in
qvwm/configure.in no longer works properly, and is
deprecated.  Instead, we should use AC_CONFIG_LINKS.
Ali, please find attached a patch to fix it.

Mitch.

Mitch Davis wrote:
> I had a look at the problem and found and fixed it.
> 
> It seems that the AC_LINK_FILES directive used in
> qvwm/configure.in no longer works properly, and is
> deprecated.  Instead, we should use AC_CONFIG_LINKS.
> Ali, please find attached a patch to fix it.

Hi Guys,

Hmm after thinking about it, maybe not everyone knows how
to apply this patch.  So here's an example...

mjd@onza [~/qvwm/ali] ls -l
total 1288
-rw-r--r--    1 mjd      mjd           764 Oct 31 00:37 qvwm1x-link.diff
-rw-r--r--    1 mjd      mjd       1310192 Oct 28 03:19 qvwm-27102003base.tar.gz

mjd@onza [~/qvwm/ali] tar -xzf qvwm-27102003base.tar.gz

mjd@onza [~/qvwm/ali] cd base/qvwm/

mjd@onza [~/qvwm/ali/base/qvwm] patch -p2 < ../../qvwm1x-link.diff
patching file configure.in

mjd@onza [~/qvwm/ali/base/qvwm]

You can then configure and make (and especially make install)
as before.

Give it a test, and please send your comments and findings to
this list! :-)

Regards,

Mitch.

http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/AfterStep-FAQ-8.html

hi 
i work on qvwm focus problem on if numlock key activated.
what do you think this problem
ali

 Cuando: mar, 21 de oct de 2003, a las 08:28:43 +0300
 Quien: ali...@tt...
 Que: [qvwm-devel] qvwm and numlock focus problem

> i work on qvwm focus problem on if numlock key activated.
> what do you think this problem
=20
   I don't like (and so, don't use) the click to focus feature, as it
   only works by clicking on titlebar, and very often I work with
   aterm with no border, no title, no scrollbar, nothing.

   I have tested here, with a couple of xterms and numlock key
   activated (defaults here), and seems not to be any problem.=20

--=20
Benjam=EDn Albi=F1ana P=E9rez
Mam=E1, =BFd=F3nde va el demonio del pppd cuando muere?

Benjam=EDn Albi=F1ana P=E9rez wrote:
>  Cuando: mar, 21 de oct de 2003, a las 08:28:43 +0300
>  Quien: ali...@tt...
>  Que: [qvwm-devel] qvwm and numlock focus problem
>=20
>=20
>>i work on qvwm focus problem on if numlock key activated.
>>what do you think this problem
>=20
> =20
>    I don't like (and so, don't use) the click to focus feature, as it
>    only works by clicking on titlebar, and very often I work with
>    aterm with no border, no title, no scrollbar, nothing.

Hi Benjam=EDn,

I have talked with Ali.  Finally, I understand what he's saying! :-)

Assume that you have ClickToFocus set to True (which I don't, I like
focus-follows-mouse), and that you have two windows (maybe xterms)
open.

You already know you can change the focus between one and the other
by clicking the bar on the top each window.  But in addition to that,
NumLock controls whether you can also change focus by clicking in the
client area of the other window.  NumLock off, you can change focus
by clicking inside the other window.  NumLock on, you can't.

 >    I have tested here, with a couple of xterms and numlock key
 >    activated (defaults here), and seems not to be any problem.

Try NumLock key off.  You can change focus even if there's no
titlebar!  And that's the behaviour that you're looking for, when
you have windows without a titlebar.  (xmms is another one...)

Related to this is what happens in when ClickToFocus=3DFalse mode.
You can stop qvwm from taking focus away when your mouse leaves
a window by holding down the shift key.  This is something a user
might want to choose to do temporarily, and it doesn't stop the
shift key from working as usual.

But the NumLock thing is different.  First, whichever way the user
wants it, they are unlikely to want to change the behaviour temporarily.
Also, it prevents the proper use of NumLock for numbers, cursor, etc etc.

So I agree with Ali: The NumLock thing may have been intended as a
feature, but to me it seems to be a bug.

I suggest a new command in the .qvwmrc file, which specifies the
behaviour.  And this behaviour is off by default in the standard
qvwmrc files.  And NumLock will no longer change it when you're
running.

Any thoughts?

Mitch.

Il mer, 2003-10-22 alle 18:36, Mitch Davis ha scritto:

> Try NumLock key off.  You can change focus even if there's no
> titlebar!  And that's the behaviour that you're looking for, when
> you have windows without a titlebar.  (xmms is another one...)
> [...]
> But the NumLock thing is different.  First, whichever way the user
> wants it, they are unlikely to want to change the behaviour temporarily.
> Also, it prevents the proper use of NumLock for numbers, cursor, etc etc.
> 
> So I agree with Ali: The NumLock thing may have been intended as a
> feature, but to me it seems to be a bug.
> 
> I suggest a new command in the .qvwmrc file, which specifies the
> behaviour.  And this behaviour is off by default in the standard
> qvwmrc files.  And NumLock will no longer change it when you're
> running.
> 
> Any thoughts?

I just make some experiments about this numlock "feature" and found that
the real reason of this strange behaviour is that NumLock is a modifier
key, as Shift, Alt and Control.
With numlock on, if you click inside the window of an xterm the Window
Manager receives NO EVENT at all. You can try with a printf inside the
MainLoop function. If you toggle off the Numlock, any click inside the
window generate an event visible to qvwm (and the focus change).
So I think the problem is in the initialization of qvwm. Somewhere qvwm
should say to X what events to listen. Qvwm simply is not listening to
"NumLock + Click" events.
Someone know how to "correct" this? My understanding of X Protocol is
too little to help...

Bye!
CG

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CGsoft wrote:
> Il mer, 2003-10-22 alle 18:36, Mitch Davis ha scritto:
> 
>>Try NumLock key off.  You can change focus even if there's no
>>titlebar!  And that's the behaviour that you're looking for, when
>>you have windows without a titlebar.  (xmms is another one...)
>>[...]
>>But the NumLock thing is different.  First, whichever way the user
>>wants it, they are unlikely to want to change the behaviour temporarily.
>>Also, it prevents the proper use of NumLock for numbers, cursor, etc etc.

> I just make some experiments about this numlock "feature" and found that
> the real reason of this strange behaviour is that NumLock is a modifier
> key, as Shift, Alt and Control.

CG thanks so much for this information.  Like you, I'm not sure if
anyonehere has enough experience yet to fix it, but it's a good start.
We'll keep this information for when we can use it.

Let me quote Linus Torvalds:

   Somebody finds the problem, and somebody *else* understands it.
   And I'll go on record as saying that finding it is the bigger challenge.

Nice work, finder!

Mitch.

hi 
i uploaded new files and screenshot
(i fixed focus problem)
www.linuxprogramlama.com

Best regards 
M.ali VARDAR