[Quake-devel] cheating

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> From: Dan Olson <do...@ra...>
> To: qua...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Quake-devel] cheating
> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:58:20 -0600
> Reply-To: qua...@li...
> 
> Peter Donald wrote:
> > At 09:03  26/3/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >What needs to be done is a set of physical limitations be set in stone.  
> > >A limit to how fast you can turn, and run, and how high you can jump, 
> > >etc.  These things need to be decided upon.
> 
> Methods of cheat protection that harm non-cheating players are a Bad Thing (tm)

Agreed.  Which is why I don't think things like adding randomness are 
good solutions.

> Setting a new limit on turn speed falls under this category, therefore it is a
> Bad Thing (tm)

Huh?  Why can we not limit turn speed?  To say, something reasonable like 
360 degrees in a second or half second, or just something sane.  Bots 
usually make insanely fast moves that a human would never be able to 
make.  Don't see how setting a limit on this is harmful.  Speed and other 
things are limited (or should be).

> That was simple, wasn't it?
> 
> The other limits you mention already exist in the source and are quite
> sufficient.  Others may disagree, but I don't think we should mess with the
> physics AT ALL.  Are we trying to improve QW here or make our own game?  Any
> changes in physics will change gameplay, which is against the QuakeForge Creed.

No, not /change/ physics.  Just /enforce/ them.  I don't know exactly how 
the server works, but the impression I get is that it just blindly trusts 
whatever the client tells it.  It shouldn't.  The client should be forced 
to conform to the physics (within some margin for lag, etc.).

> A method of stopping autoaim bots should definitely be investigated, but
> suggestions like changing game physics or adding randomness factors are not
> good solutions.

Agreed.  The physics should be enforced.  I can't think of a fairer way 
to deal with cheating.

Aaron

> 
> Got it?  Good.
> 
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