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[PyWM-talk] status of pywm

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Hey All,

I have been bouncing between window managers trying to find a tiling window
manager that's not written in something like Haskell or C. I don't want to
bother with low level or complicated languages for something that should
only require some light scripting.

I was reading about PYWM and apparently it is quite customizable. The only
problem is that it's not a tiling window manager. Would it be difficult to
make PYWM tile like XMonad? Perhaps use workspaces? This is better described
here: http://xmonad.org/tour.html

Is PYWM still being used? Apparently there are other python tiling window
managers like http://www.qtile.org/

Thank you for your time.

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http://www.iowagrain.com/
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[PyWM-talk] "Segmentation fault"

[Dok S. <dok...@ya...>]

Hi,

    Pywm crashees when I try to empty the trash bin from thunar or save a with a same name with an existing file(from Firefox). All I get is "Segmentation fault" 

    Could someone fix this? Currently, pywm(Well, flwm would be too but crashes when trying to launch an application) is the only window manager that manages to fulfill all my needs and doesn't have any extra crap :)



      

[PyWM-talk] Is pywm compatible with ICCCM and EWMH compliant ?

[Mildred <ml....@on...>]

Hi,

I'm new here, hello everyone.
I'm interested in pywm because I find somehow others window managers a
bit limiter and I always wanted to be able to customise my window
manager with a descent programming language (not like Fvwm).

So, well, the question that I ask is if pywm is ICCM and EWMH
compliant. Because it doesn't seems to work very well with devilspie
and wmctrl (that I use).
Furthermore, the gnome-panel doesn't seems to work with pywm at all
(well, only the windows list part).


Perhaps it's only because i'm using the old released version (2006).
Should I try a more recent version ?
Perhaps the darcs trunk ... But I don't have its address.

And, well, could you tell me a bit about your strange version numbers ?
Because 0.1-1-a4-1 seems to me a bit long (and cannot be translated
with package managers that doesn't accept a dash '-' in version
numbers. Well I translated it into 0.1.1.a4.1 for now)


Thanks.

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[PyWM-talk] Customizing

[Dok S. <dok...@ya...>]

Hi,

Just a couple of simple questions:

    1. Is it possible use ANY keys as hotkeys?

    2. How do I customize the background color/picture :D Do I  need a separate program for this ?


Sorry, these may be more flwm-question than pywm ? It's just that I'm going to buy a slate tablet pc and pywm seems like it could fill my needs(i would intend to map zooming of windows to two of the side buttons of the tablet and maybe one to right-click menu).

Keep up the good work!


    -Dox



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Re: [PyWM-talk] help with install

[Zed L. <ze...@ap...>]

tmoo027 writes:
>hi, wondering whether the .deb packaging is still on its way or if
>someone could help me with my install (Xubuntu, although I've gotten
>rid of xfcein favor of flwm):

>Installed the following packages:
[...]
>(is this too much/enough/right at all?)

apt-get install python-dev

[PyWM-talk] help with install

[<tm...@ec...>]

hi, wondering whether the .deb packaging is still on its way or if someone could
help me with my install (Xubuntu, although I've gotten rid of xfcein favor of
flwm):

Installed the following packages:
libfltk1.1-dev (1.1.7-2)
libfontenc-dev (1:1.0.4-1)
libfreetype6-dev (2.2.1-5ubuntu1.1)
libxfont-dev (1:1.2.7-1ubuntu1)
x11proto-fonts-dev (2.0.2-5ubuntu1)
xlibs-data (1:7.2-0ubuntu11)
xlibs-static-dev (1:7.2-0ubuntu11)

Reinstalled the following packages:
xlibmesa-gl-dev (1:7.2-0ubuntu11)
xlibs-dev (1:7.2-0ubuntu11)

(is this too much/enough/right at all?)

then when I tried to install I got:

trav@fenway-park:~/Incoming/pywm-0.1-1-a4-1$ sudo python setup.py install
...
screeds of errors
...
src-pyrex/flwm_.c:2077: error: declaration for parameter ‘__pyx_k12’ but no such
parameter
src-pyrex/flwm_.c:1958: error: declaration for parameter ‘__pyx_k11’ but no such
parameter
src-pyrex/flwm_.c:1957: error: declaration for parameter ‘__pyx_k10’ but no such
parameter
src-pyrex/flwm_.c:1956: error: declaration for parameter ‘__pyx_k9’ but no such
parameter
src-pyrex/flwm_.c:1440: error: declaration for parameter ‘__pyx_k8’ but no such
parameter
src-pyrex/flwm_.c:223: error: declaration for parameter ‘__pyx_k7’ but no such
parameter
src-pyrex/flwm_.c:4686: error: expected ‘{’ at end of input
error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1


I'm interested in this wm since I really like flwm but would like to exercise my
control freak tendencies a little more, so any help getting it going would be
appreciated

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Re: [PyWM-talk] [Fwd: Re: My initial pywm fumbling and a window handling bug]

[<el...@ji...>]

Nils Olav Fossum wrote:

> heh, dont expect too much from me. Im not a seasoned programmer :)
> pywm just seem to be a good tool for me to controll some applications in a 
> touchscreen environment.
> I can navigate around in python code, but when it comes to C Im lost.
> Therefore I really hope theres no showstopper bugs in the underlying flwm 
> code.
>
> I will keep you posted while I continue to fumble with pywm.
>
> :)
>
>   
Well, C is hard :) I'm probably not much better with it than you are
(I've just recently really learned to read it trying to improve
libburnia, the best and ?first? dic mastering/burning lib), but if
something comes up, I'll try to help, but I have school, so I'm not
fully in control of my time usage.


Elmo

Re: [PyWM-talk] [Fwd: Re: My initial pywm fumbling and a window handling bug]

[Nils O. F. <ni...@no...>]

Elmo, thanks for the reply

Torsdag 04 januar 2007 16:03, skrev Elmo M=E4ntynen:
> Nils Olav Fossum wrote:
> > hi to all 11 of you :D

> > ..but there is a bug in the window-handling code somewhere..
> > The windows dont register as they should do.
> >
> > in the __init__.py file, WM class, we have _addWin, _delWin and window
> > I had to manipulate these to get the window registering working.
> > See the attached patch.
> > This is just a hack so I can go on testing pywm, but I hope someone can
> > take a look at it to locate the real bug..
> >

Just some more meat in case someone out there stumbles into the same:
My change to WM._addWin are just a harmless check so new windows dont=20
get 'registered' twice.
The WM._delWin change fixes a bug in releasing the window from=20
the 'WM.windows' dir.
The real workaround is done in WM.window.

The underlying problem is that WM.window is called=20
(from the code in flwm_.pyx ?) before WM._addWin 'registers' the new window.
Here is a printout of wm1.py after the patch is innstalled:

=2D------
wm.on_keyEvent: known key, launching func
Oooopss, should not happen?? (window added anyway)
  **** Cheated to add window, it was not registrered with _addWin! ****
WM.on_activate: activated 'rxvt'
Whooha: window already exist !!! (skipped add)
pWin: <window hWin:0x81cf890 'rxvt'>
WM.on_create: created window 'rxvt'
=2D-----

Without the patch I get a exception error.

BTW, wm1.py was the smallest app I could come up with to test this bug (and=
=20
the one below).=20


> >
> > So a question..
> > I use Xnest for testing pywm because a 7" 800x480 sized screen is less
> > than comfortable to work on.
> >
> > When I start my pywm derivate (wm1.py), on a new Xnest with no
> > applications, something goes wrong and I cant get my test Fl_Window to
> > receive mouse click. Started like this:
> > $ Xnest -ac -geometry 800x480 :22 &
> > $ export DISPLAY=3D:22
> > $ ./wm1.py
> >
> > However when one application is running inside Xnest before I start
> > wm1.py it works.. (Started like this):
> > $ Xnest -ac -geometry 800x480 :22 &
> > $ export DISPLAY=3D:22
> > $ xclock&
> > $ ./wm1.py
> >
> > So , is this another bug, or is it something  I dont do right..?
>
> Probably a bug. Can't tell, since I got too much on my hands at the momen=
t.
>
Oki, I can live with a workaround while testing a bit more.=20

> You should consider using trying the darcs vcs. The tarball is a darcs
> repo (a branch), with which you can work with (it works without a
> central server, but I could set one up if deemed useful). Notice that
> your patch has tabs in the last part. Also, you might want to take a
> look at Leo, the editor (or ide) that the original author used. Because
> of the learning curve (not that steep) associated with efficient usage,
> I haven't used it much, but if you if like the style of workflow it
> enables, it might nice.

Thanks for the tips, Im looking into it.
Sorry about the tabs in patch..=20
I will send a proper one if asked.

> So, I haven't worked on pywm much, and can't at the moment, but I do
> have plans concerning it. Among other things, I've considered rewriting
> or adapting it to use the (hopefully) to be python interface to the new
> x lib.=20

Great, I really hope theres a future for pywm!

> But for now, do with it as you please. I'd be glad to hear from=20
> big improvements though, and if you continue to develop it, it would
> nice of you to tell about them on the webpage.
>
> Elmo, the third (named) maintainer

heh, dont expect too much from me. Im not a seasoned programmer :)
pywm just seem to be a good tool for me to controll some applications in a=
=20
touchscreen environment.
I can navigate around in python code, but when it comes to C Im lost.
Therefore I really hope theres no showstopper bugs in the underlying flwm=20
code.

I will keep you posted while I continue to fumble with pywm.

:)

=20

[PyWM-talk] [Fwd: Re: My initial pywm fumbling and a window handling bug]

[<el...@ji...>]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [PyWM-talk] My initial pywm fumbling and a window handling
bug
Date: 	Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:01:47 +0200
From: 	Elmo M=E4ntynen <el...@ji...>
To: 	Nils Olav Fossum <ni...@no...>
References: 	<200...@no...>



Nils Olav Fossum wrote:
> hi to all 11 of you :D
>
> I have started to look at pywm to use on a touchscreen carPC.
> The touchscreen is a Lilliput 7" with 800x480 resolution.
> pywm seems like a good wm to use to run applications like GPSdrive on..
>
> I really need to get controll over the application windows..
> ..but there is a bug in the window-handling code somewhere..
> The windows dont register as they should do.
>
> in the __init__.py file, WM class, we have _addWin, _delWin and window
> I had to manipulate these to get the window registering working.
> See the attached patch.
> This is just a hack so I can go on testing pywm, but I hope someone can=
 take a=20
> look at it to locate the real bug..
>
>
> So a question..
> I use Xnest for testing pywm because a 7" 800x480 sized screen is less =
than=20
> comfortable to work on.
>
> When I start my pywm derivate (wm1.py), on a new Xnest with no applicat=
ions,=20
> something goes wrong and I cant get my test Fl_Window to receive mouse =
click.
> Started like this:
> $ Xnest -ac -geometry 800x480 :22 &
> $ export DISPLAY=3D:22
> $ ./wm1.py
>
> However when one application is running inside Xnest before I start wm1=
.py it=20
> works.. (Started like this):
> $ Xnest -ac -geometry 800x480 :22 &
> $ export DISPLAY=3D:22
> $ xclock&
> $ ./wm1.py
>
> So , is this another bug, or is it something  I dont do right..?
>  =20

Probably a bug. Can't tell, since I got too much on my hands at the momen=
t.

> I have attached wm1.py as a simple test wm.
> Shift-a  will launch a rxvt console
> Shift-s  will print out the 'WM.windows' dir and 'WM.windowlist' list c=
ontent=20
> for debugging of window-handling.
>  =20

You should consider using trying the darcs vcs. The tarball is a darcs
repo (a branch), with which you can work with (it works without a
central server, but I could set one up if deemed useful). Notice that
your patch has tabs in the last part. Also, you might want to take a
look at Leo, the editor (or ide) that the original author used. Because
of the learning curve (not that steep) associated with efficient usage,
I haven't used it much, but if you if like the style of workflow it
enables, it might nice.

So, I haven't worked on pywm much, and can't at the moment, but I do
have plans concerning it. Among other things, I've considered rewriting
or adapting it to use the (hopefully) to be python interface to the new
x lib. But for now, do with it as you please. I'd be glad to hear from
big improvements though, and if you continue to develop it, it would
nice of you to tell about them on the webpage.

Elmo, the third (named) maintainer

(forwarding to the list also)

[PyWM-talk] My initial pywm fumbling and a window handling bug

[Nils O. F. <ni...@no...>]

hi to all 11 of you :D

I have started to look at pywm to use on a touchscreen carPC.
The touchscreen is a Lilliput 7" with 800x480 resolution.
pywm seems like a good wm to use to run applications like GPSdrive on..

I really need to get controll over the application windows..
..but there is a bug in the window-handling code somewhere..
The windows dont register as they should do.

in the __init__.py file, WM class, we have _addWin, _delWin and window
I had to manipulate these to get the window registering working.
See the attached patch.
This is just a hack so I can go on testing pywm, but I hope someone can take a 
look at it to locate the real bug..


So a question..
I use Xnest for testing pywm because a 7" 800x480 sized screen is less than 
comfortable to work on.

When I start my pywm derivate (wm1.py), on a new Xnest with no applications, 
something goes wrong and I cant get my test Fl_Window to receive mouse click.
Started like this:
$ Xnest -ac -geometry 800x480 :22 &
$ export DISPLAY=:22
$ ./wm1.py

However when one application is running inside Xnest before I start wm1.py it 
works.. (Started like this):
$ Xnest -ac -geometry 800x480 :22 &
$ export DISPLAY=:22
$ xclock&
$ ./wm1.py

So , is this another bug, or is it something  I dont do right..?

I have attached wm1.py as a simple test wm.
Shift-a  will launch a rxvt console
Shift-s  will print out the 'WM.windows' dir and 'WM.windowlist' list content 
for debugging of window-handling.

-- 
Mvh,
Nils Olav Fossum

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Re: [PyWM-talk] Is pywm suitable for running a single application?

[Frank M. <fr...@ch...>]

Elmo M=E4ntynen wrote:
>=20
> Frank Millman wrote:
> > Hi all
> >  =20
> Hi
>=20
> ...
>=20
> > Would I be able to do this with Pywm? Any advice will be=20
> much appreciated.
> >  =20
>=20
> Looks very much doable, as in, I  see no specific obstacles,=20
> but that's only based on a quick read of you description.=20
> Also, if you decide to use pywm, I can promise that it will=20
> need some tinkering, though not much necessarily. I hope to=20
> be able ponder this more.
>=20

Thanks for the reply, Elmo.

In the meantime, I have found another product that looks as if it may =
fit my
needs - IceWM. It is very configurable, it supports Alt+Tab, it has an
optional task bar, it supports themes, etc.

I will continue experimenting with IceWM for the time being. If I hit =
any
problems, I will come back to this list.

Good to know that Pywm is still active.

Thanks again

Frank

Re: [PyWM-talk] Is pywm suitable for running a single application?

[<el...@ji...>]

Frank Millman wrote:
> Hi all
>
>
>   
Hi

...

> Would I be able to do this with Pywm? Any advice will be much appreciated.
>   

Looks very much doable, as in, I  see no specific obstacles, but that's
only based on a quick read of you description. Also, if you decide to
use pywm, I can promise that it will need some tinkering, though not
much necessarily. I hope to be able ponder this more.

> This is the error I got after installing Pywm. It appeared to install ok. I
> cannot run pywm-run.py as I do not have TkInter installed. However, from
> reading the program, it appeared that I should be able to simply type
> ./example1.py. I tried that, and got the following traceback (shortened) -
>
> import flwm_
> ImportError: .../flwm.so: undefined symbol: XDestroyRegion
>
> I probably did something wrong during the installation. Perhaps someone can
> point me in the right direction.
>
> I am using pywm-0.1-1-a4-1, Pyrex-0.9.4.1, and fltk-1.1.x-r5385, on FC5.
>
>   
Did you have the proper headers and libs installed when compiling? You
might be lucky and and succeed by just installing something like x-dev
and xlibs metapackages. Other than that, I should be able to help, but I
can't promise anything about the time it takes for me to answer.

If not a very helpful response, this is to indicate that this list isn't
abandoned.

> TIA
>
> Frank Millman
>   
Elmo Mäntynen

[PyWM-talk] Is pywm suitable for running a single application?

[Frank M. <fr...@ch...>]

Hi all

I tried to install Pywm, but I got a runtime error.

Before I describe the error, I would like to explain *why* I tried to
install Pywm. I know very little about window managers, but I have a
particular requirement, and I hoped that Pywm might provide a solution.
However it might also be a complete sidetrack, so perhaps someone can
advise.

I am writing an accounting/business application using Python and wxPython. I
am experimenting with setting up a diskless workstation, using FC5, to make
deployment of clients easier. So far it looks good. The WS boots up and
shows an FC5 login screen. After login it shows a normal Gnome desktop. This
is fine for users that require a full desktop.

I also want to run the workstation as a 'terminal', that on boot-up goes
straight into my application. I have found out that FC5 uses Metacity as its
window manager. I can do an auto-login, and I can launch my app
automatically, but I cannot figure out how to run it without the desktop.
Therefore I have been experimenting with different window managers, but I
have not found one that behaves the way I want.

This is my ideal scenario.

The WS boots up, displays a background image of my choice, and launches my
app.

Each window must have a normal title bar, which behaves the same as an MSW
or Gnome one - i.e. an icon on the left with a menu with maximise, minimise,
Alt+F4 to exit, etc, and on the right a minimise, maximise, and close
button. wxPython allows you to specify which buttons must appear on the
title bar, so it must respect this.

Once in my app, the user can have several windows open at the same time.
Therefore the user must be able to press Alt+Tab to cycle between the
windows, and there must be a taskbar at the bottom with a button for each of
the currently open windows to allow direct selection. It would be nice to
put a clock and other goodies on the task bar as well.

There may be other things I need (you only find out when you start to run
the app) but that is enough to be going on with.

Would I be able to do this with Pywm? Any advice will be much appreciated.

This is the error I got after installing Pywm. It appeared to install ok. I
cannot run pywm-run.py as I do not have TkInter installed. However, from
reading the program, it appeared that I should be able to simply type
./example1.py. I tried that, and got the following traceback (shortened) -

import flwm_
ImportError: .../flwm.so: undefined symbol: XDestroyRegion

I probably did something wrong during the installation. Perhaps someone can
point me in the right direction.

I am using pywm-0.1-1-a4-1, Pyrex-0.9.4.1, and fltk-1.1.x-r5385, on FC5.

TIA

Frank Millman

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Re: [PyWM-talk] Hi from Uruguay

[<el...@ji...>]

Daniel Morales wrote:
> Hello everyone. I'm Daniel from Uruguay... i'm here because i 'love'
> python and i been searching for a fast wm.. and the idea of pywm is
> great.. i hope to learn how it works...  and make some stuff too.. :)
>  
>  
>  
> thanks..Chau! :D
Well hello. PyWM seems to be quite stable, but other than that, it's
basically in a prototype state. It can be quite usable if you have time
to fiddle with it, but doesn't do much good out of the box.

I'm the current maintainer, and would really like to improve PyWM, but
my current prioritization doesn't allow me to do much. I will help with
getting started, debugging, and development as much as I can though,
just ask.

Good luck =)

Elmo

[PyWM-talk] Hi from Uruguay

[Daniel M. <dan...@gm...>]

Hello everyone. I'm Daniel from Uruguay... i'm here because i 'love' python
and i been searching for a fast wm.. and the idea of pywm is great.. i hope
to learn how it works...  and make some stuff too.. :)



thanks..Chau! :D