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MORGANTOWN, West Virginia (AP) -- The Appalachian Trail gives hikers a nearly 2,200-mile trek through mountains, meadows and forests stretching from Georgia to Maine.

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Uttering cries of terror and dismay, the three took to their heels and
bounded towards the wall, where a gate quickly opened to receive them, the
populace feeling sure the Tatar horde was upon them Nor was this guess so
very far wrong; for as Rob, sitting disconsolate upon the sand, raised his
eyes, he saw across the desert a dark line that marked the approach of the
invaders.<br>
Nearer and nearer they came, while Rob watched them and bemoaned the
foolish impulse that had led him to fall asleep in an unknown land where he
could so easily be overpowered and robbed of his treasures.<br>
I always suspected these electrical inventions would be my ruin some day,
he reflected, sadly; and now I'm side-tracked and left helpless in this
outlandish country, without a single hope of ever getting home again They
probably won't be able to kill me, unless they find my Garment of Repulsion
and strip that off; but I never could cross this terrible desert on foot
and, having lost my food tablets, I'd soon starve if I attempted it.<br>
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there was no danger of immediate starvation.<br>
But he was miserable and unhappy, and remained brooding over his cruel fate
until a sudden shout caused him to look up 14, Turk and Tatar The Tatars had
arrived, swiftly and noiselessly, and a dozen of the warriors, still
mounted, were surrounding him.<br>
His helpless condition aroused their curiosity, and while some of them
hastily cut away his bonds and raised him to his feet, other plied him with
questions in their own language.<br>
Rob shook his head to indicate that he could not understand; so they led
him to the chief--an immense, bearded representative of the tribe of
Kara-Khitai, the terrible and relentless Black Tatars of Thibet.<br>
The huge frame of this fellow was clothed in flowing robes of
cloth-of-gold, braided with jewels, and he sat majestically upon the back of
a jet-black camel, Under ordinary circumstances the stern features and
flashing black eyes of this redoubtable warrior would have struck a chill of
fear to the boy's heart; but now under the influence of the crushing
misfortunes he had experienced, he was able to gaze with indifference upon
the terrible visage of the desert chief.<br>
The Tatar seemed not to consider Rob an enemy.<br>
Instead, he looked upon him as an ally, since the Turks had bound and
robbed him Finding it impossible to converse with the chief, Rob took refuge
in the sign language.<br>
He turned his pockets wrong side out, showed the red welts left upon his
wrists by the tight cord, and then shook his fists angrily in the direction
of the town, In return the Tatar nodded gravely and issued an order to his
men.<br>
By this time the warriors were busily pitching tents before the walls of
Yarkand and making preparations for a formal siege.<br>
In obedience to the chieftain's orders, Rob was given a place within one of
the tents nearest the wall and supplied with a brace of brass-mounted
pistols and a dagger with a sharp, zigzag edge.<br>
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well pleased to have them, His spirits rose considerably when he found he
had fallen among friends, although most of his new comrades had such evil
faces that it was unnecessary to put on the Character Markers to judge their
natures with a fair degree of accuracy I can't be very particular about the
company I keep, he thought, and this gang hasn't tried to murder me, as the
rascally Turks did.<br>
So for the present I'll stand in with the scowling chief and try to get a
shot at the thieves who robbed me, If our side wins I may get a chance to
recover some of my property.<br>
It's a slim chance, of course, but it's the only hope I have left.<br>
That very evening an opportunity occurred for Rob to win glory in the eyes
of his new friends.<br>
Just before sundown the gates of the city flew open and a swarm of Turks,
mounted upon fleet horses and camels, issued forth and fell upon their
enemies, The Tatars, who did not expect the sally, were scarcely able to
form an opposing rank when they found themselves engaged in a hand-to-hand
conflict, fighting desperately for their lives In such a battle, however,
the Turks were at a disadvantage, for the active Tatars slipped beneath
their horses and disabled them, bringing both the animals and their riders
to the earth.<br>
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Re: [Pythonmidi-devel] And there was much rejoicing!

[Donovan P. <dp...@ul...>]

On Oct 29, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Jay Vaughan wrote:
> At 17:08 Uhr +0200 29.10.2004, Jack Jansen wrote:
>> (For the record: bgen may be quirky, but it has enabled me to almost
>> single-handedly open up all major MacOS APIs to Python, and keep
>> those interfaces up to date over the last 10 years, from MacOS 7
>> straight to MacOS X. So, while quirky I wouldn't call it "sucky").
>
> well, if its gonna be a tool, i'd warrant that more than one person 
> should be able to use it.  thats all.  i had no idea you were talking 
> about something you have such an investment in, since you brought up 
> how hard it is to use ...\

I would just like to defend bgen. I have used it, and it was not very 
difficult to learn, and once I had it working, it wrapped a large 
number of C apis automatically. It's main problem is lack of 
documentation and interest, then.

I'd say it's pretty similar to SWIG, but better at what it does (which 
is less than swig does), but SWIG has more documentation and language 
support, so people use it.

dp

Re: [Pythonmidi-devel] Deallocating resources using destructors

[Tony C. <to...@tc...>]

try registering your cleanup function with atexit.
This is supposed to be called when sys.exit is called.
Would you See if this works for you?


At 10:31 AM 11/04/04, you wrote:

>On Oct 29, 2004, at 3:59 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>
>>A big problem popped up yesterday:
>>
>>It turns out that a Python objects __del__ does not necessarily get 
>>called when a program exits. I knew this once, but I had forgotten it.
>>
>>This means the ports does not get closed unless you specifically call 
>>close on the objects. This is major bug for a Python program, where the 
>>garbage collection is supposed to make sure you never have to deallocate 
>>resources. It's also makes my computer crash. Not immediatly mind you, 
>>but say, 30 minutes later, or so. XP just silently goes *poof* and 
>>reboots. NOT fun! (It's probably crappy MIDI drivers that cause this).
>>
>>The solution to this is supposed to be to write the whole python object 
>>in C, instead of just wrapping the c methods in a python object. C 
>>objects do get properly deallocated when a program exits, I'm told. Now, 
>>that means that the C code suddenly gets MUCH more complex (and it wasn't 
>>exactly trivial before either) so I'm gonna look at doing this in Pyrex.
>
>I'm not sure where you got the idea that C objects get deallocated when a 
>program exits. It's true that stack-local variables of simple type such as 
>integers or chars will be automatically released because the entire stack 
>is released when the program exits, but this has nothing to do with 
>externally allocated resources such as memory allocated with malloc, 
>opened file handles, or opened midi ports. In fact, it is absolutely 
>impossible to arrange for some code to be invoked upon the unexpected 
>termination of your c program.
>
>In general, relying on destructors to free externally allocated resources 
>is a bad, bad idea. Rather than attempting to rewrite your program in C, I 
>would suggest you just rewrite the python portion to explicitly free 
>resources in case of unexpected error (using a try: finally: block, for 
>example.)
>
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[Pythonmidi-devel] Deallocating resources using destructors

[Donovan P. <dp...@ul...>]

On Oct 29, 2004, at 3:59 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote:

> A big problem popped up yesterday:
>
> It turns out that a Python objects __del__ does not necessarily get 
> called when a program exits. I knew this once, but I had forgotten it.
>
> This means the ports does not get closed unless you specifically call 
> close on the objects. This is major bug for a Python program, where 
> the garbage collection is supposed to make sure you never have to 
> deallocate resources. It's also makes my computer crash. Not 
> immediatly mind you, but say, 30 minutes later, or so. XP just 
> silently goes *poof* and reboots. NOT fun! (It's probably crappy MIDI 
> drivers that cause this).
>
> The solution to this is supposed to be to write the whole python 
> object in C, instead of just wrapping the c methods in a python 
> object. C objects do get properly deallocated when a program exits, 
> I'm told. Now, that means that the C code suddenly gets MUCH more 
> complex (and it wasn't exactly trivial before either) so I'm gonna 
> look at doing this in Pyrex.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that C objects get deallocated when 
a program exits. It's true that stack-local variables of simple type 
such as integers or chars will be automatically released because the 
entire stack is released when the program exits, but this has nothing 
to do with externally allocated resources such as memory allocated with 
malloc, opened file handles, or opened midi ports. In fact, it is 
absolutely impossible to arrange for some code to be invoked upon the 
unexpected termination of your c program.

In general, relying on destructors to free externally allocated 
resources is a bad, bad idea. Rather than attempting to rewrite your 
program in C, I would suggest you just rewrite the python portion to 
explicitly free resources in case of unexpected error (using a try: 
finally: block, for example.)

dp

[Pythonmidi-devel] Pyrex summary

[Lennart R. <re...@nu...>]

Well, I have tried Pyrex a bit now, and it's not bad. Although it isn't 
much quicker to get started with that writing C-extensions, and there is 
a lot of trickery and detailing that you need to know both in 
C-extensions and Pyrex. But in the end the code gets much easier to 
understand and modify.

However, the problem I had, which I was recommended to fix with Pyrex, 
does not get solved at all. Pyrex does not seem to help with that at 
all, as far as i can tell. The objects deallocation will still not get 
called at Python exit.

Instead, I will now try hooking into atexit and sys.exceptionhook. Less 
neat, but hopefully working.


So, bye-bye Pyrex is was nice to know ya! :) Maybe we'll meet again!

//Lennart

Re: [Pythonmidi-devel] Pyrex experiences?

[Lennart R. <re...@nu...>]

Jack Jansen wrote:
> Pyrex is pretty good, but one should keep in mind that it's "yet another 
> tool". What I mean is that using pyrex would create a dependency on it, 
> and this would mean either that end users (assuming they want to or have 
> to install the midi stuff from source) would have to install it too, or 
> the source distribution would have to contain the pyrex C output files.

Well thats the good thing, it's only a tool for the developers.
The unix distribution should definitely be the c-files. Windows (and 
mac?) distros should be binaries, if course.