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[Pythoncard-users] Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move

[Morgan V. <ve...@gm...>]

Hi all,

Item 1:
I'm having a hard time getting PythonCard to run cleanly on my Ubuntu
machine, seeing some peculiar errors that keep my program from
terminating properly on exit.  Things generally work okay (the
resourceEditor is a disaster area, but I've managed to get what I need
done) but exiting any app spits out a bunch of errors like the
following:

[from exit of Minimal.py:]

me@mylocalhost:~/somepath/$ python minimal.py

(python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
/build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
`0x165c380' has no handler with id `224'

(python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
/build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
`0x139f510' has no handler with id `121'

(python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
/build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
`0x139f030' has no handler with id `49'

In this case all I did was run Minimal.py, and exit it.
I get similar errors when I run any other PythonCard application.

My installation is... complicated.  Multiple versions of things, some
from Synaptic, others not.

I'm running Ubuntu 8.04.
Python 2.5 (but older versions are installed too)
PythonCard 0.8.2, installed via the setup script in the tar.gz
PythonCard 0.8.1, installed via Synaptic (installed 0.8.2 before i
realized there was a package)
libwxgtk2.6-0,  via Synaptic
libwxgtk2.8-0,  via Synaptic

I deleted the 0.8.2 version of PythonCard, but the problems persist.
Are the multiple versions of libwxgtk part of my problem here?



Item 2:
It appears to be impossible to get a StaticText widget to render in
front of a BitmapCanvas.  I need to use some bitmapcanvases to show
colored areas behind my interface.  No matter what the order of the
items is in the resource file, the static text ALWAYS renders behind
the BitmapCanvas.
Other widgets like buttons, gauges etc all render fine, according to
order in the file.

Bug or Feature?

[the semantics of "Front = behind everything" and "Back = in front of
everything" puzzle me, but whatever.]

I know I can work around it by drawing that text in the BitmapCanvas
itself, but this seems pretty wrong.


Item 3:
Is it possible to select and move multiple items together?  This
doesn't work in Ubuntu AFAICT.
Is this implemented/working on any other platforms?


Thanks!


I'm still super-stoked on how easy it's been to put together a basic
interface for this application -- I migrated my entire project from
Ruby into Python so that I could use a reasonable GUI toolkit.  Just
trying to clean up the loose ends so other people can run it and not
throw errors all over the place!

cheers

morgan

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move

[Andrew S. <and...@gm...>]

Hi,
I use Python and PythonCard on the Windows (XP) platform so I can answer
Item 3; yes - in Windows simply draw a rectangle with your mouse around the
components (or Ctrl-click) to select multiple items and drag them in unison.

I have a few questions of my own that I would like to throw out to
the broader PythonCard community.
1. I have attempted to establish what the status of PythonCard is (without
success), because the project appears to have terminated some years ago.
Does anyone know? Is there any comprehensive documentation on PythonCard?
2. I have a particular problem; does anyone know how to right-align a column
in a multi column list in PythonCard? In commercial systems this is a common
requirement. Similarly, is there a way of setting the font type and size for
a particular column in a multi column list?

Regards,

Andrew.



On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Morgan Venable <ve...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Item 1:
> I'm having a hard time getting PythonCard to run cleanly on my Ubuntu
> machine, seeing some peculiar errors that keep my program from
> terminating properly on exit.  Things generally work okay (the
> resourceEditor is a disaster area, but I've managed to get what I need
> done) but exiting any app spits out a bunch of errors like the
> following:
>
> [from exit of Minimal.py:]
>
> me@mylocalhost:~/somepath/$ python minimal.py
>
> (python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
> /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
> `0x165c380' has no handler with id `224'
>
> (python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
> /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
> `0x139f510' has no handler with id `121'
>
> (python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
> /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
> `0x139f030' has no handler with id `49'
>
> In this case all I did was run Minimal.py, and exit it.
> I get similar errors when I run any other PythonCard application.
>
> My installation is... complicated.  Multiple versions of things, some
> from Synaptic, others not.
>
> I'm running Ubuntu 8.04.
> Python 2.5 (but older versions are installed too)
> PythonCard 0.8.2, installed via the setup script in the tar.gz
> PythonCard 0.8.1, installed via Synaptic (installed 0.8.2 before i
> realized there was a package)
> libwxgtk2.6-0,  via Synaptic
> libwxgtk2.8-0,  via Synaptic
>
> I deleted the 0.8.2 version of PythonCard, but the problems persist.
> Are the multiple versions of libwxgtk part of my problem here?
>
>
>
> Item 2:
> It appears to be impossible to get a StaticText widget to render in
> front of a BitmapCanvas.  I need to use some bitmapcanvases to show
> colored areas behind my interface.  No matter what the order of the
> items is in the resource file, the static text ALWAYS renders behind
> the BitmapCanvas.
> Other widgets like buttons, gauges etc all render fine, according to
> order in the file.
>
> Bug or Feature?
>
> [the semantics of "Front = behind everything" and "Back = in front of
> everything" puzzle me, but whatever.]
>
> I know I can work around it by drawing that text in the BitmapCanvas
> itself, but this seems pretty wrong.
>
>
> Item 3:
> Is it possible to select and move multiple items together?  This
> doesn't work in Ubuntu AFAICT.
> Is this implemented/working on any other platforms?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> I'm still super-stoked on how easy it's been to put together a basic
> interface for this application -- I migrated my entire project from
> Ruby into Python so that I could use a reasonable GUI toolkit.  Just
> trying to clean up the loose ends so other people can run it and not
> throw errors all over the place!
>
> cheers
>
> morgan
>
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[Pythoncard-users] Multiple item move (was Re: Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move)

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:22:48 +0200, "Andrew Spagnoletti" <and...@gm...> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Morgan Venable <ve...@gm...> wrote:
> > Item 3:
> > Is it possible to select and move multiple items together?  This
> > doesn't work in Ubuntu AFAICT.
> > Is this implemented/working on any other platforms?
>
> I use Python and PythonCard on the Windows (XP) platform so I can answer
> Item 3; yes - in Windows simply draw a rectangle with your mouse around the
> components (or Ctrl-click) to select multiple items and drag them in unison.

Hmmm....doesn't work here on XP (Python 2.3 - 2.6 + wxPython 2.6 - 2.8). Control-click just selects one at a time, and no click-drag rectangle appears :-(

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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Multiple item move (was Re: Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move)

[Andrew S. <and...@gm...>]

There could be a communication issue here; I understood the reference was to
selecting and moving multiple components in PythonCard, not in the
subsequent live application. In PythonCard, when developing the application,
it can be done. I am using Python 2.6 and the latest PythonCard version.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:12 AM, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXwrote:

> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:22:48 +0200, "Andrew Spagnoletti" <
> and...@gm...> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Morgan Venable <ve...@gm...>
> wrote:
> > > Item 3:
> > > Is it possible to select and move multiple items together?  This
> > > doesn't work in Ubuntu AFAICT.
> > > Is this implemented/working on any other platforms?
> >
> > I use Python and PythonCard on the Windows (XP) platform so I can answer
> > Item 3; yes - in Windows simply draw a rectangle with your mouse around
> the
> > components (or Ctrl-click) to select multiple items and drag them in
> unison.
>
> Hmmm....doesn't work here on XP (Python 2.3 - 2.6 + wxPython 2.6 - 2.8).
> Control-click just selects one at a time, and no click-drag rectangle
> appears :-(
>
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Multiple item move (was Re: Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move)

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:31:09 +0200, "Andrew Spagnoletti" <and...@gm...> wrote:

> There could be a communication issue here; I understood the reference was to
> selecting and moving multiple components in PythonCard, not in the
> subsequent live application. In PythonCard, when developing the application,
> it can be done. I am using Python 2.6 and the latest PythonCard version.

I think we're on the same wavelength :-) You're saying that you can do multiple selection in the PythonCard resource editor, yes? Because I can't...

...hang on...

...got it. It works in the layout editor...which I haven't got around to using much yet. But not in the resource editor.

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[Pythoncard-users] StaticText over BitmapCanvas - GTK issue? (was Re: Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move)

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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:46:10 -0800, "Morgan Venable" <ve...@gm...> wrote:

> It appears to be impossible to get a StaticText widget to render in
> front of a BitmapCanvas.  I need to use some bitmapcanvases to show
> colored areas behind my interface.  No matter what the order of the
> items is in the resource file, the static text ALWAYS renders behind
> the BitmapCanvas.
> Other widgets like buttons, gauges etc all render fine, according to
> order in the file.
> 
> Bug or Feature?

Could be a bug. I can place StaticText over a BitmapCanvas without any issues on XP, but on my old OpenBSD box (Python 2.4 + wxPython 2.6.3) I see the same problem, plus I cannot change the background colour of the StaticText component. Maybe a GTK2 issue?

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Re: [Pythoncard-users] StaticText over BitmapCanvas - GTK issue?

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:36:51 +0000, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:46:10 -0800, "Morgan Venable" <ve...@gm...> wrote:
> 
> > It appears to be impossible to get a StaticText widget to render in
> > front of a BitmapCanvas.  I need to use some bitmapcanvases to show
> > colored areas behind my interface.  No matter what the order of the
> > items is in the resource file, the static text ALWAYS renders behind
> > the BitmapCanvas.
> > Other widgets like buttons, gauges etc all render fine, according to
> > order in the file.
> > 
> > Bug or Feature?
> 
> Could be a bug. I can place StaticText over a BitmapCanvas without any issues on XP, but on my old OpenBSD box (Python 2.4 + wxPython 
> 2.6.3) I see the same problem, plus I cannot change the background colour of the StaticText component. Maybe a GTK2 issue?

There's an old entry in the bugtracker (1043690) that reports the following:

"I have a card with a background image (as an image rather than a background
property).
I need to change the background image at run time.

Under PythonCardPrototype 0.7 (2?), this worked. Under PythonCard 0.8 the
image insists on being at the frontmost layer - ie hiding any buttons, text
fields etc on the page."

This looks like the same issue.
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Multiple item move (was Re: Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move)

[Alex T. <al...@tw...>]

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> I think we're on the same wavelength :-) You're saying that you can do multiple selection in the PythonCard resource editor, yes? Because I can't...
>
> ...hang on...
>
> ...got it. It works in the layout editor...which I haven't got around to using much yet. But not in the resource editor.
>   
I'd use the layout editor in preference to the resource editor. It was 
intended to be a replacement for the older (single-component) version, 
and as far as I know has no significant problems that would require you 
to use the older version. There may be issues with component order on 
the Mac, but I think they were all resolved.

Actually, it was intended to be a first step towards a combined editor 
that would incorporate both resource/layout editing and code editing - 
but that was much too big a problem for me, so I stopped at making it a 
better layout editor, incorporating the features I thought were most 
needed. I made some efforts towards incorporating sizers (but never 
succeeded in getting them anywhere near to right). Someone else did do 
some work on a sizer based editor - but at the time I was unable to even 
try it out, so I don't know how far that effort got.

A couple of years ago, I made a switch from PC to Mac, which was 
absolutely disastrous for Python use, so I never did get Python + wx + 
Pythoncard to all work adequately, and was effectively unable to do any 
Pythoncard work for quite a long time. I have now switched back to a PC, 
so I can at least run the tools and look at things; but I still have 
relatively little (i.e. almost no) time to do any programming, so I 
can't realistically offer much hope that I will do significant 
development on Pythoncard any time soon.

-- Alex.

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Multiple item move (was Re: Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move)

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On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:01:15 +0000, Alex Tweedly <al...@tw...> wrote:

> I'd use the layout editor in preference to the resource editor. It was 
> intended to be a replacement for the older (single-component) version, 
> and as far as I know has no significant problems that would require you 
> to use the older version. There may be issues with component order on 
> the Mac, but I think they were all resolved.

Fair enough....I've got into a routine of copying existing projects, altering the GUI in the resource editor and then changing the behaviour in the code editor. I really should take a look at the layout editor one of these days.

> A couple of years ago, I made a switch from PC to Mac, which was 
> absolutely disastrous for Python use, so I never did get Python + wx + 
> Pythoncard to all work adequately, and was effectively unable to do any 
> Pythoncard work for quite a long time.

My target platform is Windows and I'm building .EXEs, so my Mac doesn't get used much with PythonCard other than trying to duplicate platform-specific issues that others have discovered on this list. There are still problems (like the CoreGraphics single device context limit in wxPython 2.8.x) and it doesn't look like the GTK platforms are smooth-sailing either.

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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move

[Alex T. <al...@tw...>]

Andrew Spagnoletti wrote:
>
> I have a few questions of my own that I would like to throw out to 
> the broader PythonCard community.
> 1. I have attempted to establish what the status of PythonCard is 
> (without success), because the project appears to have terminated some 
> years ago. Does anyone know? Is there any comprehensive documentation 
> on PythonCard?
It is kind of in limbo. What it does, it does (more or less) adequately. 
There is a lot more it could do (i.e. addiitonal component types, better 
features in the editors, sizers via the editor, ability to mix in 
additional initialization characteristics, ... lots of additional things 
it could do), but unless someone is really motivated by a need for 
something specific, and has time to delve into developing it, I don't 
see any prospect of those being done.

I'm not sure there is anything I'd describe as comprehensive 
documentation. There is a fair amount in the docs directory, and the 
samples contain lots of useful info, even though not 'documentation' as 
such. And if you haven't used it, the findfiles tool is a good way to 
find things in the samples, as well as being a generally useful tool anyway.
> 2. I have a particular problem; does anyone know how to right-align a 
> column in a multi column list in PythonCard? In commercial systems 
> this is a common requirement. Similarly, is there a way of setting the 
> font type and size for a particular column in a multi column list?
See samples/minimalList - it creates its columns using

>         list.InsertColumn(0, "Artist")
>         list.InsertColumn(1, "Title", wx.LIST_FORMAT_RIGHT)
>         list.InsertColumn(2, "Genre")  

Don't know offhand about the font type, but there should be a similar 
direct call into wx to do it. Or, it may not be possible to set the font 
for each column (I don't see a wx sampel that does this, with a cursory 
look). You may need to use a grid rather than a list .... but an explore 
of the wx samples or docs should sort that out for you.

'size' - column size or font size ?
column size is set by list.SetColumnWidth() - see further down in the 
same sample.

-- Alex.

>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Morgan Venable <ve...@gm... 
> <mailto:ve...@gm...>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     Item 1:
>     I'm having a hard time getting PythonCard to run cleanly on my Ubuntu
>     machine, seeing some peculiar errors that keep my program from
>     terminating properly on exit.  Things generally work okay (the
>     resourceEditor is a disaster area, but I've managed to get what I need
>     done) but exiting any app spits out a bunch of errors like the
>     following:
>
>     [from exit of Minimal.py:]
>
>     me@mylocalhost:~/somepath/$ python minimal.py
>
>     (python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
>     /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
>     `0x165c380' has no handler with id `224'
>
>     (python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
>     /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
>     `0x139f510' has no handler with id `121'
>
>     (python:29257): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
>     /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/gobject/gsignal.c:1741: instance
>     `0x139f030' has no handler with id `49'
>
>     In this case all I did was run Minimal.py, and exit it.
>     I get similar errors when I run any other PythonCard application.
>
>     My installation is... complicated.  Multiple versions of things, some
>     from Synaptic, others not.
>
>     I'm running Ubuntu 8.04.
>     Python 2.5 (but older versions are installed too)
>     PythonCard 0.8.2, installed via the setup script in the tar.gz
>     PythonCard 0.8.1, installed via Synaptic (installed 0.8.2 before i
>     realized there was a package)
>     libwxgtk2.6-0,  via Synaptic
>     libwxgtk2.8-0,  via Synaptic
>
>     I deleted the 0.8.2 version of PythonCard, but the problems persist.
>     Are the multiple versions of libwxgtk part of my problem here?
>
>
>
>     Item 2:
>     It appears to be impossible to get a StaticText widget to render in
>     front of a BitmapCanvas.  I need to use some bitmapcanvases to show
>     colored areas behind my interface.  No matter what the order of the
>     items is in the resource file, the static text ALWAYS renders behind
>     the BitmapCanvas.
>     Other widgets like buttons, gauges etc all render fine, according to
>     order in the file.
>
>     Bug or Feature?
>
>     [the semantics of "Front = behind everything" and "Back = in front of
>     everything" puzzle me, but whatever.]
>
>     I know I can work around it by drawing that text in the BitmapCanvas
>     itself, but this seems pretty wrong.
>
>
>     Item 3:
>     Is it possible to select and move multiple items together?  This
>     doesn't work in Ubuntu AFAICT.
>     Is this implemented/working on any other platforms?
>
>
>     Thanks!
>
>
>     I'm still super-stoked on how easy it's been to put together a basic
>     interface for this application -- I migrated my entire project from
>     Ruby into Python so that I could use a reasonable GUI toolkit.  Just
>     trying to clean up the loose ends so other people can run it and not
>     throw errors all over the place!
>
>     cheers
>
>     morgan
>
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move

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On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:01:23 +0000, Alex Tweedly <al...@tw...> wrote:

> Andrew Spagnoletti wrote:
> >
> > 2. I have a particular problem; does anyone know how to right-align a 
> > column in a multi column list in PythonCard? In commercial systems 
> > this is a common requirement. Similarly, is there a way of setting the 
> > font type and size for a particular column in a multi column list?
> See samples/minimalList - it creates its columns using
> 
> >         list.InsertColumn(0, "Artist")
> >         list.InsertColumn(1, "Title", wx.LIST_FORMAT_RIGHT)
> >         list.InsertColumn(2, "Genre")  
> 
> Don't know offhand about the font type, but there should be a similar 
> direct call into wx to do it. Or, it may not be possible to set the font 
> for each column (I don't see a wx sampel that does this, with a cursory 
> look). You may need to use a grid rather than a list .... but an explore 
> of the wx samples or docs should sort that out for you.

Well, I'm stumped...I Google'd and I tried various things, but it looks like the font properties can't be modified for a particular column...just on a row-by-row basis. I think Alex could be right - you need to set up a grid.

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[Pythoncard-users] PythonCard status (was Re: Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move)

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:22:48 +0200, "Andrew Spagnoletti" <and...@gm...> wrote:

> I have a few questions of my own that I would like to throw out to
> the broader PythonCard community.
> 1. I have attempted to establish what the status of PythonCard is (without
> success), because the project appears to have terminated some years ago.
> Does anyone know? 

I hope it's still being used by quite a lot of people, but it's difficult to tell because the list is so quiet. Kevin has mentioned on the developer list that he's recently tested PythonCard with Python 2.6 and the latest wxPython, and he's going to try and look at one of the Mac-specific issues I mentioned recently.

It's the usual problem though - people have other priorities and I suspect 0.8.2 is good enough for many. I'm using it quite a bit at the moment for simple utilities and I'm trying to learn more about the inner workings because there are some more complex projects that I might be able to use it for in the future. I'm also trying to contribute something back at long last by attempting to duplicate issues other people are finding and if possible doing a bit of debugging. Without knowing how many people are still using PythonCard I don't know whether it'll help anyone or just help satisfy my inner-geekness.

It would be good to blow the dust and cobwebs off the bug/suggestion/to-do lists, and get the project rolling, but we need to know who can help and if it's worth it, i.e. who is still using it.

Maybe to start with, since the list is so quiet, we can do a poll and get an idea of numbers, platforms/versions being used, a top 3 bug/request list and who can contribute? Any takers? I'll start it off if nobody else does....first though I need to go around and work out how many combinations of OS + Python + wxPython I have!

> Is there any comprehensive documentation on PythonCard?

Other than the stuff on the web-site, I tend to rely on examining the source code and when necessary the "wxPython In Action" book.

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Re: [Pythoncard-users] PythonCard status

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:51:04 +0000, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:

> Maybe to start with, since the list is so quiet, we can do a poll and get an idea of numbers, 
> platforms/versions being used, a top 3 bug/request list and who can contribute? Any takers? I'll 
> start it off if nobody else does....first though I need to go around and work out how many 
> combinations of OS + Python + wxPython I have!

OK...if anything hits a problem and needs to confirm it isn't specific to their set-up, let me know and I'll try to duplicate it here. I'm using the following...

...to build Windows executables for customers that need to link to Visual C 6 era DLLS:

Windows NT 4 (in a VM) + Python 2.3.5 + wxPython 2.8.7.1

wheareas for general development and testing of applications I use one of the following:

Windows XP + Python 2.5 + wxPython 2.8.9.0
Windows XP + Python 2.6 + wxPython 2.8.9.1

The latter is on my laptop after Kevin asked if anyone was able to test PythonCard + Python 2.6. I also have the following setups which currently only get used when questions appear in these mailing lists:

OSX 10.4.11 (PPC) + Python 2.3.5 + wxPython 2.5.3.1
OSX 10.4.11 (PPC) + Python 2.5.1 + wxPython 2.8.9.1
OpenBSD 4.2 + Python 2.4 + wxPython 2.6.something

The issues I'm most concerned/interested about/in are:
1) wxPython - more things are breaking since wxPython 2.8.8.x was released, and I'd like to move more of my development environment to OSX but there are various wxPython-on-Mac problems at the moment; PythonCard on *nix seems to be even more hit-and-miss;
2) website/documentation - the bug/request/to-do lists haven't been updated for a while and people are always asking about documentation;
3) components - PythonCard deliberately doesn't include certain wxPython widgets due to complexity/time/effort; I've always though too that it would be nice to have a more up-to-date, cross-platform HTML component (the last time I checked there was the basic HTML 3 and IE components, and I think some work was being done on a Mozilla and WebKit widget in wxPython).

Since I've mentioned recently a few issues I've found or confirmed, it would probably be a good idea if I made the effort and added them to the PythonCard bugtracker. Not a huge contribution, but a start...

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Re: [Pythoncard-users] PythonCard status (was Re: Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move)

[Morgan V. <ve...@gm...>]

Hi again,

Update on my previous report:  I tried the Layout Editor (rather than
Resource Editor) under Ubuntu and most things work.
Under Ubuntu I cannot move Buttons or Choice boxes individually, but
if I select them with a text box I can move them together, which is
silly, but deal-with-able.  Seems like some underlying class issue in
wx->GTK?  I don't have a complete catalog of all the components which
are movable versus not.

Another thing that cropped up is that whenever I select an item in the
Layout Editor, it moves downwards by about 30 pixels.  Odd.
Under Windows, every select moves the item down and right by 2 pixels each.

But at least multiple select works!


cheers

morgan

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:37:22 -0800, "Morgan Venable" <ve...@gm...> wrote:

> Under Windows, every select moves the item down and right by 2 pixels each.

Same here...layout and resource editor...but not on every component. For example, multi-column list and calendar do shift while button and combo-box do not.

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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Odd behaviors of Pythoncard under Ubuntu: errors on exit, StaticText over BitmapCanvas, multiple item move

[Morgan V. <ve...@gm...>]

> Same here...layout and resource editor...but not on every component. For example, multi-column list and calendar do >shift while button and combo-box do not.

Yep -- I witness the same behavior -- not all components do this.
Same issue -- pardon my lack of clarity :)

morgan