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[Pythoncard-users] Help Installing Python on a Mac

[Ignatz R. <rat...@gm...>]

Hello,
I am trying to install Python on my son's iMac running OSX 10.3.9.   
But every time I try to launch a .py file I get an error message:  
"Application Python has unexpectedly quit."  The message from the  
Terminal is:

Last login: Sun Jul  5 16:55:21 on ttyp3
cd '/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/ 
site-packages/PythonCard/samples/minimal/' && '/usr/local/bin/ 
pythonw'  '/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
pythoWelcome to Darwin!
n2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/samples/minimal/minimal.py'  && echo  
Exit status: $? && exit 1
[No-lle-McAfees-Computer:~] nmcafee% cd '/Library/Frameworks/ 
Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/ 
samples/minimal/' && '/usr/local/bin/pythonw'  '/Library/Frameworks/ 
Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/ 
samples/minimal/minimal.py'  && echo Exit status: $? && exit 1
dyld: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/ 
Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python Undefined symbols:
/usr/local/lib/wxPython-unicode-2.8.3.0/lib/libwx_macud-2.8.0.dylib  
undefined reference to _HIThemeBrushCreateCGColor expected to be  
defined in Carbon
Trace/BPT trap
[No-lle-McAfees-Computer:PythonCard/samples/minimal] nmcafee%


To install Python I started at: http://www.manning.com/sande/Installation_Instructions.html#mac

Everything installed fine until step 5: "Follow this link to install  
PythonCard. (Choose the correct version of Mac OS X, as described on  
the PythonCard page.)"

That led me to here: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/installation.html

I followed the instructions for installing the version for Apple  
Panther, here: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/macosx_panther_installation.html

The only differences were that I had already installed Python2.5 as  
instructed previously, so I didn't install MacPython-Panther-2.3-2.dmg  
and I had already intalled wxpython2.8 so I didn't install   
wxPythonOSX-2.5.2.8-panther-Py2.3.dmg

I installed pythoncard, as instructed.

I did not understand the "Confirming Installation" instruction and,  
so, did not do that.

On the "Configuring PythonLauncher," I selected a .py file, opened the  
Information window and switched the Open With to PythonLauncher.  I  
also selected the the box to open all .py files with PhthonLauncher.   
I then did the same thing with .pyw files.

On the Acid Test, I double-clicked the minimal.py file.  I got an  
error message saying, "Application Python has unexpectedly quit."

I checked to make sure that wxPython and PythonCard are in the site- 
packages folder in Python's Lib folder.  (The wxPython folder in lib/ 
python2.5/site-pacages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode.  The Pythoncard folder is  
in lib/python2.5/site-packages.)

I tried restarting the computer then double-clicked minimal.py again.   
Same result.

I followed the rest of the instructions at: http://www.manning.com/sande/Installation_Instructions.html#mac 
  and installed EasyGUI, SPE and One Big Zip.  (I put the EasyGUI83  
folder in Mac HD/library/frameworks/pythonframe.frameworks/versions/ 
2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages.)

I restarted the computer, double clicked minimal.py.  Same error  
message.

Does anyone know how to fix this?  Any help would be greatly  
appreciated.  I know nothing about programing, so the more jargon-free  
the instructions the better.

Please email responses to rat...@gm...

Thank you.
IR

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Help Installing Python on a Mac

[XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]

On 5/7/09 22:51, Ignatz Razkiwatzki wrote:
>
> I am trying to install Python on my son's iMac running OSX 10.3.9.  But 
> every time I try to launch a .py file I get an error message: 
> "Application Python has unexpectedly quit."

Do non-PythonCard programs work OK? When you installed wxPython 2.8, did 
the demo applications work OK (and do they still work OK now)?

-- 
XXXXXXXXXXX

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Help Installing Python on a Mac

[Ignatz R. <rat...@gm...>]

Hi Neil,

Thanks for getting back to me.  I'm not sure whether the demos work. I  
just followed the directions.  I didn't see anything about demos.  If  
you can tell me where they are and what to do I can try them.

A couple of updates.  I changed the .py and .pyw files back to open  
with IDLE instead of Pythonlauncher.  It didn't help.

Also, as suggested in the book Hello World!, I tried typing "print  
"HelloWorld!" after the prompt in Terminal. I got an error message  
saying:

  [No-lle-McAfees-Computer:~] nmcafee% print "HelloWorld!"
tcsh: print: Command not found.

Note that the prompt does not look like the one in the book (ie   
">>>>>").  It is:
  [No-lle-McAfees-Computer:~] nmcafee%

I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
IR

On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:30 AM, XXXXXXXXXXX wrote:

> On 5/7/09 22:51, Ignatz Razkiwatzki wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to install Python on my son's iMac running OSX 10.3.9.   
>> But every time I try to launch a .py file I get an error message:  
>> "Application Python has unexpectedly quit."
>
> Do non-PythonCard programs work OK? When you installed wxPython 2.8,  
> did the demo applications work OK (and do they still work OK now)?
>
> -- 
> XXXXXXXXXXX
>

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Help Installing Python on a Mac

[XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]

On 6/7/09 15:53, Ignatz Razkiwatzki wrote:
> Hi Neil,
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me.  I'm not sure whether the demos work. I  
> just followed the directions.  I didn't see anything about demos.  If  
> you can tell me where they are and what to do I can try them.

The wxPython 2.8 demos/documentation are a separate package, so if you 
didn't explicitly download them then I'm guessing you don't have them.

> Also, as suggested in the book Hello World!, I tried typing "print  
> "HelloWorld!" after the prompt in Terminal. I got an error message  
> saying:
> 
>   [No-lle-McAfees-Computer:~] nmcafee% print "HelloWorld!"
> tcsh: print: Command not found.

That page makes a number of assumptions, the big one being that you're 
familiar with Python coding, or you've spent time reading the useful links.

Considering how difficult it is for more experienced developers like me 
to get PythonCard up and running on the ever-changing-version game that 
is Python/wxPython/OSX, I'm not surprised you've hit problems if you've 
never done this before.

'print "HelloWorld!"' won't work from the Terminal because you need to 
be running the python interpreter - the Terminal shell (tcsh) doesn't 
understand "print". Now..."echo"...that works...but we're going off topic.

Try this from the Terminal, to see what state your Python setup is in:

python

You should get something like this:

Lightning:~ nkh$ python
Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Jan 13 2009, 10:26:13)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>>

and if you try print...

 >>> print "HelloWorld!"
HelloWorld!
 >>>

Does that work on your Mac?

Regards
-- 
XXXXXXXXXXX

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Help Installing Python on a Mac

[Ignatz R. <rat...@gm...>]

Neil,
Thank you again.  This is very helpful.

I tried your suggest and typed "python" into Terminal.  I got back the
following:

Python 2.5 (r25:51918, Sep 19 2006, 08:49:13)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5341)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>

I then typed "print "HelloWord!" and got back the following:

HelloWorld!
>>>

This is certainly a positive development. Does this mean that everything is
working properly, or is that too optimistic?  Do I need to type "python"
each time when I start up terminal to get to the correct prompt.  Anything
else I need to do/know/test?

Sorry for all the newbie questions.  This clearly isn't as simple as the
books would lead you to belive.  I greatly appreciate your help.

IR

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXwrote:

> On 6/7/09 15:53, Ignatz Razkiwatzki wrote:
>
>> Hi Neil,
>>
>> Thanks for getting back to me.  I'm not sure whether the demos work. I
>>  just followed the directions.  I didn't see anything about demos.  If  you
>> can tell me where they are and what to do I can try them.
>>
>
> The wxPython 2.8 demos/documentation are a separate package, so if you
> didn't explicitly download them then I'm guessing you don't have them.
>
>  Also, as suggested in the book Hello World!, I tried typing "print
>>  "HelloWorld!" after the prompt in Terminal. I got an error message  saying:
>>
>>  [No-lle-McAfees-Computer:~] nmcafee% print "HelloWorld!"
>> tcsh: print: Command not found.
>>
>
> That page makes a number of assumptions, the big one being that you're
> familiar with Python coding, or you've spent time reading the useful links.
>
> Considering how difficult it is for more experienced developers like me to
> get PythonCard up and running on the ever-changing-version game that is
> Python/wxPython/OSX, I'm not surprised you've hit problems if you've never
> done this before.
>
> 'print "HelloWorld!"' won't work from the Terminal because you need to be
> running the python interpreter - the Terminal shell (tcsh) doesn't
> understand "print". Now..."echo"...that works...but we're going off topic.
>
> Try this from the Terminal, to see what state your Python setup is in:
>
> python
>
> You should get something like this:
>
> Lightning:~ nkh$ python
> Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Jan 13 2009, 10:26:13)
> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>>
>
> and if you try print...
>
> >>> print "HelloWorld!"
> HelloWorld!
> >>>
>
> Does that work on your Mac?
>
> Regards
> --
> XXXXXXXXXXX
>
>

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Help Installing Python on a Mac

[Ignatz R. <rat...@gm...>]

Thanks, Kevin.

I take it you're recommending a fresh install.  Is that correct.  If  
so, should I first uninstall the version I've got now?  If yes, how?

IR

On Jul 6, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Kevin Altis wrote:

> Sorry about the confusing docs.
>
> General links:
>
> Python 2.5.x
> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.4/
> This is the last stable release of 2.5.x.
> http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.5.4/python-2.5.4-macosx.dmg
> "The Universal OS X image contains an installer for python 2.5.4  
> that works on Mac OS X 10.3.9 and later, on both PPC and Intel Macs.  
> The compiled libraries include both bsddb and readline."
>
> wxPython
> http://www.wxpython.org/download.php#binaries
> You probably want a 2.5 universal Mac build.
> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython2.8-osx-unicode-2.8.10.1-universal-py2.5.dmg
> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython2.8-osx-docs-demos-2.8.10.1-universal-py2.5.dmg
>
> You must always match the version of wxPython to the version of  
> Python that you are using. Since the various versions of Mac OS X  
> include their own copies of Python, the safest thing to do is pick  
> which version of Python you want using a universal installer, match  
> it up with the right wxPython, and then test that wxPython is  
> working properly from the command-line and from the Finder. This  
> leaves the Python (and sometimes wxPython) that comes with your OS  
> intact for any system utilities that make use of it.
>
> Once you've done the Python and wxPython installs, PythonCard should  
> install fine assuming you specify the Python you just installed or  
> it is defaulting to the right Python in the Terminal as Neil  
> commented on in his message.
>
> There are code tweaks that probably need to be made to PythonCard to  
> conform to Python 3.x standards and Python 2.6.x largely exists to  
> support transitioning to 3.x, which is why 2.5.x is recommended.
>
> ka
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Ignatz Razkiwatzki wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I am trying to install Python on my son's iMac running OSX 10.3.9.   
>> But every time I try to launch a .py file I get an error message:  
>> "Application Python has unexpectedly quit."  The message from the  
>> Terminal is:
>>
>> Last login: Sun Jul  5 16:55:21 on ttyp3
>> cd '/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/ 
>> site-packages/PythonCard/samples/minimal/' && '/usr/local/bin/ 
>> pythonw'  '/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
>> pythoWelcome to Darwin!
>> n2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/samples/minimal/minimal.py'  && echo  
>> Exit status: $? && exit 1
>> [No-lle-McAfees-Computer:~] nmcafee% cd '/Library/Frameworks/ 
>> Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ 
>> PythonCard/samples/minimal/' && '/usr/local/bin/pythonw'  '/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site- 
>> packages/PythonCard/samples/minimal/minimal.py'  && echo Exit  
>> status: $? && exit 1
>> dyld: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/ 
>> Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python Undefined symbols:
>> /usr/local/lib/wxPython-unicode-2.8.3.0/lib/libwx_macud-2.8.0.dylib  
>> undefined reference to _HIThemeBrushCreateCGColor expected to be  
>> defined in Carbon
>> Trace/BPT trap
>> [No-lle-McAfees-Computer:PythonCard/samples/minimal] nmcafee%
>>
>>
>> To install Python I started at: http://www.manning.com/sande/Installation_Instructions.html#mac
>>
>> Everything installed fine until step 5: "Follow this link to  
>> install PythonCard. (Choose the correct version of Mac OS X, as  
>> described on the PythonCard page.)"
>>
>> That led me to here: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/installation.html
>>
>> I followed the instructions for installing the version for Apple  
>> Panther, here: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/macosx_panther_installation.html
>>
>> The only differences were that I had already installed Python2.5 as  
>> instructed previously, so I didn't install MacPython- 
>> Panther-2.3-2.dmg and I had already intalled wxpython2.8 so I  
>> didn't install  wxPythonOSX-2.5.2.8-panther-Py2.3.dmg
>>
>> I installed pythoncard, as instructed.
>>
>> I did not understand the "Confirming Installation" instruction and,  
>> so, did not do that.
>>
>> On the "Configuring PythonLauncher," I selected a .py file, opened  
>> the Information window and switched the Open With to  
>> PythonLauncher.  I also selected the the box to open all .py files  
>> with PhthonLauncher.  I then did the same thing with .pyw files.
>>
>> On the Acid Test, I double-clicked the minimal.py file.  I got an  
>> error message saying, "Application Python has unexpectedly quit."
>>
>> I checked to make sure that wxPython and PythonCard are in the site- 
>> packages folder in Python's Lib folder.  (The wxPython folder in  
>> lib/python2.5/site-pacages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode.  The Pythoncard  
>> folder is in lib/python2.5/site-packages.)
>>
>> I tried restarting the computer then double-clicked minimal.py  
>> again.  Same result.
>>
>> I followed the rest of the instructions at: http://www.manning.com/sande/Installation_Instructions.html#mac 
>>  and installed EasyGUI, SPE and One Big Zip.  (I put the EasyGUI83  
>> folder in Mac HD/library/frameworks/pythonframe.frameworks/versions/ 
>> 2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages.)
>>
>> I restarted the computer, double clicked minimal.py.  Same error  
>> message.
>>
>> Does anyone know how to fix this?  Any help would be greatly  
>> appreciated.  I know nothing about programing, so the more jargon- 
>> free the instructions the better.
>>
>> Please email responses to rat...@gm...
>>
>> Thank you.
>> IR
>>
>>
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>

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Help Installing Python on a Mac

[Kevin A. <al...@se...>]

On Jul 6, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Ignatz Razkiwatzki wrote:

> Thanks, Kevin.
>
> I take it you're recommending a fresh install.  Is that correct.   
> If so, should I first uninstall the version I've got now?  If yes,  
> how?
>
> IR
>

I don't think there is a reason for you to uninstall other than  
saving minor amounts of disk space. Doing a new install with the  
package versions I recommended should put in position to have  
everything running. You can check that Python and wxPython are  
running correctly from the Terminal and Finder and then do the  
PythonCard install.

I don't know offhand how you go about uninstalling user versions of  
Python safely from the Mac.

wxPython has a uninstall_wxPython.py file that should deal with most  
versions of wxPython that you might have installed.

I don't know if a GUI package manager was ever done for Python on the  
Mac or not. It would probably alleviate some of these problems.

ka

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Help Installing Python on a Mac

[Kevin A. <al...@se...>]

Sorry about the confusing docs.

General links:

Python 2.5.x
http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.4/
This is the last stable release of 2.5.x.
http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.5.4/python-2.5.4-macosx.dmg
"The Universal OS X image contains an installer for python 2.5.4 that  
works on Mac OS X 10.3.9 and later, on both PPC and Intel Macs. The  
compiled libraries include both bsddb and readline."

wxPython
http://www.wxpython.org/download.php#binaries
You probably want a 2.5 universal Mac build.
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython2.8-osx- 
unicode-2.8.10.1-universal-py2.5.dmg
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython2.8-osx-docs- 
demos-2.8.10.1-universal-py2.5.dmg

You must always match the version of wxPython to the version of  
Python that you are using. Since the various versions of Mac OS X  
include their own copies of Python, the safest thing to do is pick  
which version of Python you want using a universal installer, match  
it up with the right wxPython, and then test that wxPython is working  
properly from the command-line and from the Finder. This leaves the  
Python (and sometimes wxPython) that comes with your OS intact for  
any system utilities that make use of it.

Once you've done the Python and wxPython installs, PythonCard should  
install fine assuming you specify the Python you just installed or it  
is defaulting to the right Python in the Terminal as Neil commented  
on in his message.

There are code tweaks that probably need to be made to PythonCard to  
conform to Python 3.x standards and Python 2.6.x largely exists to  
support transitioning to 3.x, which is why 2.5.x is recommended.

ka


On Jul 5, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Ignatz Razkiwatzki wrote:

> Hello,
> I am trying to install Python on my son's iMac running OSX 10.3.9.   
> But every time I try to launch a .py file I get an error message:  
> "Application Python has unexpectedly quit."  The message from the  
> Terminal is:
>
> Last login: Sun Jul  5 16:55:21 on ttyp3
> cd '/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/ 
> site-packages/PythonCard/samples/minimal/' && '/usr/local/bin/ 
> pythonw'  '/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/ 
> pythoWelcome to Darwin!
> n2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/samples/minimal/minimal.py'  && echo  
> Exit status: $? && exit 1
> [No-lle-McAfees-Computer:~] nmcafee% cd '/Library/Frameworks/ 
> Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ 
> PythonCard/samples/minimal/' && '/usr/local/bin/pythonw'  '/Library/ 
> Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site- 
> packages/PythonCard/samples/minimal/minimal.py'  && echo Exit  
> status: $? && exit 1
> dyld: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/ 
> Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python Undefined symbols:
> /usr/local/lib/wxPython-unicode-2.8.3.0/lib/libwx_macud-2.8.0.dylib  
> undefined reference to _HIThemeBrushCreateCGColor expected to be  
> defined in Carbon
> Trace/BPT trap
> [No-lle-McAfees-Computer:PythonCard/samples/minimal] nmcafee%
>
>
> To install Python I started at: http://www.manning.com/sande/ 
> Installation_Instructions.html#mac
>
> Everything installed fine until step 5: "Follow this link to  
> install PythonCard. (Choose the correct version of Mac OS X, as  
> described on the PythonCard page.)"
>
> That led me to here: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ 
> installation.html
>
> I followed the instructions for installing the version for Apple  
> Panther, here: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ 
> macosx_panther_installation.html
>
> The only differences were that I had already installed Python2.5 as  
> instructed previously, so I didn't install MacPython- 
> Panther-2.3-2.dmg and I had already intalled wxpython2.8 so I  
> didn't install  wxPythonOSX-2.5.2.8-panther-Py2.3.dmg
>
> I installed pythoncard, as instructed.
>
> I did not understand the "Confirming Installation" instruction and,  
> so, did not do that.
>
> On the "Configuring PythonLauncher," I selected a .py file, opened  
> the Information window and switched the Open With to  
> PythonLauncher.  I also selected the the box to open all .py files  
> with PhthonLauncher.  I then did the same thing with .pyw files.
>
> On the Acid Test, I double-clicked the minimal.py file.  I got an  
> error message saying, "Application Python has unexpectedly quit."
>
> I checked to make sure that wxPython and PythonCard are in the site- 
> packages folder in Python's Lib folder.  (The wxPython folder in  
> lib/python2.5/site-pacages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode.  The Pythoncard  
> folder is in lib/python2.5/site-packages.)
>
> I tried restarting the computer then double-clicked minimal.py  
> again.  Same result.
>
> I followed the rest of the instructions at: http://www.manning.com/ 
> sande/Installation_Instructions.html#mac and installed EasyGUI, SPE  
> and One Big Zip.  (I put the EasyGUI83 folder in Mac HD/library/ 
> frameworks/pythonframe.frameworks/versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site- 
> packages.)
>
> I restarted the computer, double clicked minimal.py.  Same error  
> message.
>
> Does anyone know how to fix this?  Any help would be greatly  
> appreciated.  I know nothing about programing, so the more jargon- 
> free the instructions the better.
>
> Please email responses to rat...@gm...
>
> Thank you.
> IR
>
>
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