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Re: [Pythoncard-users] About RadioGroup

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

It's hard to tell from the information you'd posted.  Please provide 
full code listing.

BTW: There are plenty of sample code in the Pythoncard samples directory 
for Radiogroup.

On 6/6/2011 11:52 AM, Sriram Samynathan wrote:
>
>
> I am trying to build a GUI for my project. I want the component 
> radiogroup to display items that i have as a list.
>
> I have a list  productlist=['productone' ,'producttwo', 'productthree']
>
> When I give self.components.Radiogroup1.items=productlist ,  i get 
> this error :
> File : C:|......\radiogroup.py line 81 in_setItems
>                                  raise NotImplementedError
> NotImplementedError
>
> I am new to PythonCard, and to Python. It will be great if someone can 
> help me out with this.
>
> Thank you
>
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[Pythoncard-users] About RadioGroup

[Sriram S. <sri...@gm...>]

I am trying to build a GUI for my project. I want the component radiogroup
to display items that i have as a list.

I have a list  productlist=['productone' ,'producttwo', 'productthree']

When I give self.components.Radiogroup1.items=productlist ,  i get this
error :
File : C:|......\radiogroup.py line 81 in_setItems
                                 raise NotImplementedError
NotImplementedError

I am new to PythonCard, and to Python. It will be great if someone can help
me out with this.

Thank you

[Pythoncard-users] PythonCard 1.0

[HelloWorldBook H. <cp4...@ya...>]

I've been following the thread about Pythoncard 1.0 with great interest.  
 
As some on this list know, we use PythonCard in our book "Hello World! Computer Programming for Kids and Other Beginners".  I thought PythonCard was a dead project, which was quite disappointing, as it is a great way to teach the basic concepts of GUIs.  (The book uses Python to teach programming.)  So it would be wonderful if Pythoncard lives on.
 
Our book uses Python 2.5.  We provide installers for Windows, Mac, and Linux which install Python 2.5, as well as the other modules we use in the book - Pygame, Pythoncard (and their dependencies, NumPy and wxPython).  
 
Currently we are considering a second edition to update the book to Python 3.  One of the things holding us back is lack of Python 3 support in PythonCard.  I believe that wxPython has still not been ported over to Python 3.  I'm hoping that happens before too long, and I'm also hoping that when wxPython is ported to Python 3, PythonCard will follow suit.  
 
 
 
Warren Sande

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[Christoph S. <cs...@bo...>]

First of all, thanks to all who invested time into this wonderful
project and for now especially to John for pushing hard to keep it alive.
John, let me add to that, I am lurking on this list, checking the mail
every 2-3 weeks. I've followed your posts lately with great interest,
but to be honest, I was waiting for something released to install and
test. Now I have checked out the 1.0 and it seems it is not what I was
after:

- The checkout command on
http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/source/checkout produces a
directory with a starting space, looking like:

" pythoncard-1-0 --username xx...@gm..." (note the leading space)

First of all I had quite some problems entering/renaming the directory
as my shell cmdline-completion was unable to deal with it.
When I managed to enter that directory I had no pythoncard but some
stuff that looks more like svn-internals.

I really do love pythoncard and I am willing to help with testing
wherever I can. Please John, do not stop your efforts because nobody
seems interested. I guarantee there are a lot of people that are, I bet
once the first downloadable .tgz hits the web you get dozens of
downloads daily!

Again, thanks for the time and work invested in the project. I look
unpatiently forward to your 1.0 release .

Cheers,
Christoph

John Henry wrote:
> Seems to have very little interest in this but if anybody wants to get a 
> hold of the current version of what I have, you should be able to get it 
> from the SVN depository using tortoiseSVN.
>
> Can someone at least try to download the whole thing and see if it works?
>
> On 5/1/2011 1:08 AM, John Henry wrote:
>   
>> Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough 
>> time to try to figure it out.  I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
>>
>> I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
>>
>> Lots of work to do.
>>
>> On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>     
>>> John Henry wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good.  Pythoncard is
>>>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly.  We
>>>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>>>>         
>>> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
>>> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
>>> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
>>> Mercurial. I do.
>>>
>>> Some Mercurial resources:
>>>
>>> http://hginit.com/index.html
>>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
>>> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>>>
>>> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>>>
>>> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
>>> Google Code.
>>>
>>> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/
>>>
>>> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>>>
>>> https://bitbucket.org/
>>>
>>> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[Teuvo E. <te...@gm...>]

Hi John,

You wrote "Seems to have very little interest in this"....

The lack of responses, activity in this list might not mean there would not
be interest.
At least for me the case is, I'll use the new things (you've implemented) in
PythonCard if I have a need for them (and they're easily
available/findable). It's certainly good to know they are there! But I
personally am too busy right now to start evaluating them just out of
curiosity.

I think there are two ways of making sure the interest exists, as much it
can, in addition to this mailing list:

1) The demo applications pythoncard has are excellent way to sell the tool,
if you have the energy, perhaps you could add your new stuff there too?

2) Documentation, as in component specs in:
http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/framework/components.html or/and as in an
article in 'getting started' chapter in
http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/documentation.html

You're doing a good Job John!

-Teuvo


2011/5/3 John Henry <ec...@ya...>

> Seems to have very little interest in this but if anybody wants to get a
> hold of the current version of what I have, you should be able to get it
> from the SVN depository using tortoiseSVN.
>
> Can someone at least try to download the whole thing and see if it works?
>
> On 5/1/2011 1:08 AM, John Henry wrote:
> > Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough
> > time to try to figure it out.  I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
> >
> > I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
> >
> > Lots of work to do.
> >
> > On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> John Henry wrote:
> >>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
> >>>
> >>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good.  Pythoncard is
> >>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly.  We
> >>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
> >>
> >> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
> >> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
> >> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
> >> Mercurial. I do.
> >>
> >> Some Mercurial resources:
> >>
> >> http://hginit.com/index.html
> >> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
> >> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
> >>
> >> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
> >>
> >> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
> >> Google Code.
> >>
> >> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
> >>
> >> https://github.com/
> >>
> >> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
> >>
> >> https://bitbucket.org/
> >>
> >> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
> >>
> >> http://code.google.com/hosting/
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[Cristian M. <cma...@gm...>]

I would say: yes! Give John Henry the necessary access to maintain
pythoncard. It would be nice to feel the project evolves.

I presume "+ve" is the same as "yes" ?

Regards,
Cristian

The offer still stands to give John Henry access to the SourceForge code.

>
> I did also previously offer a conversion to Subversion on SourceForge
> (which is only a couple of steps). That offer stands as well.
>
> Let me know in the +ve or the -ve
>
> Regards,
> Andy
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[Andy T. <an...@ha...>]

On 4/05/11 4:31 AM, John Henry wrote:
> Seems to have very little interest in this but if anybody wants to get a
> hold of the current version of what I have, you should be able to get it
> from the SVN depository using tortoiseSVN.
>
> Can someone at least try to download the whole thing and see if it works?
>
> On 5/1/2011 1:08 AM, John Henry wrote:
>> Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough
>> time to try to figure it out.  I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
>>
>> I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
>>
>> Lots of work to do.
>>
>> On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>> John Henry wrote:
>>>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good.  Pythoncard is
>>>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly.  We
>>>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>>>
>>> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
>>> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
>>> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
>>> Mercurial. I do.
>>>
>>> Some Mercurial resources:
>>>
>>> http://hginit.com/index.html
>>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
>>> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>>>
>>> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>>>
>>> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
>>> Google Code.
>>>
>>> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/
>>>
>>> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>>>
>>> https://bitbucket.org/
>>>
>>> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
The offer still stands to give John Henry access to the SourceForge code.

I did also previously offer a conversion to Subversion on SourceForge 
(which is only a couple of steps). That offer stands as well.

Let me know in the +ve or the -ve

Regards,
Andy
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

Seems to have very little interest in this but if anybody wants to get a 
hold of the current version of what I have, you should be able to get it 
from the SVN depository using tortoiseSVN.

Can someone at least try to download the whole thing and see if it works?

On 5/1/2011 1:08 AM, John Henry wrote:
> Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough 
> time to try to figure it out.  I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
>
> I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
>
> Lots of work to do.
>
> On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> John Henry wrote:
>>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>>
>>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good.  Pythoncard is
>>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly.  We
>>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>>
>> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
>> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
>> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
>> Mercurial. I do.
>>
>> Some Mercurial resources:
>>
>> http://hginit.com/index.html
>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
>> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>>
>> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>>
>> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
>> Google Code.
>>
>> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>>
>> https://github.com/
>>
>> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>>
>> https://bitbucket.org/
>>
>> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[phil j. <int...@gm...>]

Surely if it's at SourceForge, that will let you create a mercurial
repo, no? Or Bazaar.

http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/sourceforge/2009/03/11/bazaar-and-mercurial-scm-services-launched/

Note that if you're more comfortable with SVN you may find Bazaar more
comfortable as it's designed to feel more like SVN.

phil

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 9:08 AM, John Henry <ec...@ya...> wrote:
> Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough time
> to try to figure it out.  I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
>
> I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
>
> Lots of work to do.
>
> On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> John Henry wrote:
>>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>>
>>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good.  Pythoncard is
>>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly.  We
>>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>>
>> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
>> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
>> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
>> Mercurial. I do.
>>
>> Some Mercurial resources:
>>
>> http://hginit.com/index.html
>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
>> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>>
>> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>>
>> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
>> Google Code.
>>
>> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>>
>> https://github.com/
>>
>> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>>
>> https://bitbucket.org/
>>
>> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough time 
to try to figure it out.  I'm going to stay with SVN for now.

I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/

Lots of work to do.

On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> John Henry wrote:
>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>
>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good.  Pythoncard is
>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly.  We
>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>
> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
> Mercurial. I do.
>
> Some Mercurial resources:
>
> http://hginit.com/index.html
> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>
> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>
> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
> Google Code.
>
> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>
> https://github.com/
>
> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>
> https://bitbucket.org/
>
> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>
> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>
>

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[Steven D'A. <st...@pe...>]

John Henry wrote:
> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
> 
> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good.  Pythoncard is 
> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly.  We 
> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.


For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision 
control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python 
itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards 
Mercurial. I do.

Some Mercurial resources:

http://hginit.com/index.html
http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
http://hgbook.red-bean.com/

For git, you can do your own googling :-P

Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and 
Google Code.

Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.

https://github.com/

Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:

https://bitbucket.org/

and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:

http://code.google.com/hosting/


-- 
Steven

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Pushing for Pythoncard 1.0

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.

Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good.  Pythoncard is 
currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly.  We 
should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.

It's nice to see some long lost names showing up again.  May be you guys 
can explain to me how to handle events properly.  In the 
Matplotlibcanvas widget, I am setting up the event list just like other 
widgets but the widget won't respond to the events until I reverted to 
native wxpython calls.

         self._bindEvents(event.WIDGET_EVENTS+event.MOUSE_EVENTS)

         # Couldn't get event handlers to work using the _bindEvents 
method.  Had to resort to native wxPython event calls
         wx.EVT_PAINT(self, self._onPaint)
         wx.EVT_SIZE(self, self._onSize)
         wx.EVT_KEY_DOWN(self, self._onKeyDown)
         wx.EVT_KEY_UP(self, self._onKeyUp)
         wx.EVT_RIGHT_DOWN(self, self._onRightButtonDown)
         wx.EVT_RIGHT_UP(self, self._onRightButtonUp)
         wx.EVT_LEFT_DOWN(self, self._onLeftButtonDown)
         wx.EVT_LEFT_UP(self, self._onLeftButtonUp)
         wx.EVT_MOTION(self, self._onMotion)
         wx.EVT_MOUSEWHEEL(self, self._onMouseWheel)





On 4/26/2011 4:34 AM, phil jones wrote:
> I'm not really involved in PythonCard, but something struck me reading
> the recent discussion.
>
> Would it not be a good idea to move to a distributed source control
> system (bzr / hg / git) so that John and others could already be
> sharing their updates with other PythonCard developers
>
> I understand why there has to be a master repository for "officially"
> released versions of PythonCard, and the quality control it implies,
> but DSCM can let work go on around the edges before the main repo
> owner has time to assess and hand over commit privileges etc.
>
> phil
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Phil Edwards<ph...@li...>  wrote:
>> On 23/04/11 02:57, Andy Todd wrote:
>>> If no one objects I'm happy to give John commit privileges to the
>>> repository. That way he can add his changes and produce a 1.0 release.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andy
>> No objection from me - I've not had time to do anything with PythonCard
>> for a good few years, so some new blood would be welcome!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[phil j. <int...@gm...>]

I'm not really involved in PythonCard, but something struck me reading
the recent discussion.

Would it not be a good idea to move to a distributed source control
system (bzr / hg / git) so that John and others could already be
sharing their updates with other PythonCard developers

I understand why there has to be a master repository for "officially"
released versions of PythonCard, and the quality control it implies,
but DSCM can let work go on around the edges before the main repo
owner has time to assess and hand over commit privileges etc.

phil

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Phil Edwards <ph...@li...> wrote:
> On 23/04/11 02:57, Andy Todd wrote:
>> If no one objects I'm happy to give John commit privileges to the
>> repository. That way he can add his changes and produce a 1.0 release.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andy
>
> No objection from me - I've not had time to do anything with PythonCard
> for a good few years, so some new blood would be welcome!
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> Phil Edwards   |  PGP/GnuPG Key Id
> Brighton, UK   |  0xDEF32500
>
>
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[Phil E. <ph...@li...>]

On 23/04/11 02:57, Andy Todd wrote:
> If no one objects I'm happy to give John commit privileges to the 
> repository. That way he can add his changes and produce a 1.0 release.
>
> Regards,
> Andy

No objection from me - I've not had time to do anything with PythonCard
for a good few years, so some new blood would be welcome!

-- 

Regards

Phil Edwards   |  PGP/GnuPG Key Id
Brighton, UK   |  0xDEF32500

[Pythoncard-users] Putting together Pythoncard 1.0 (was Re: From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard))

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

I finally figured out what was causing TortleSVN not to work: Dumb user 
(that's me) that didn't read the manual.

To use subversion, I needed to do these steps:

a) Create a depository
b) Enter ver 0.82 into the depository
c) Check-out 0.82 from the depository - this is the step that wasn't 
obvious to me.
d) Now use TortoiseSVN to commit new files into the depository

So, now I have a difference list and I can go through and see all the 
changes I made.

The bad news is: my vacation is over.  I can only work on this 
part-time, till the next vacation. :-)

On 4/22/2011 8:13 PM, John Henry wrote:
> I made so many changes that the first safe step is take my Pythoncard 
> setup and compare with the standard 0.82 Pythoncard to list all of the 
> changes before committing.  Then I can document what changes I made.
>
> I tried a number of directory comparison programs and none give me the 
> result of a local CVS or SVS can do.
>
> But I got a problem: I can't get CVSNT to work while TortuiseCVS 
> works.  Got SVS server to work but can't get TortuiseSVS to work.  Any 
> suggestions, anybody (Windows 7, 64 bit)
>
>
> On 4/22/2011 6:57 PM, Andy Todd wrote:
>>
>> If no one objects I'm happy to give John commit privileges to the
>> repository. That way he can add his changes and produce a 1.0 release.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andy
>

Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

I made so many changes that the first safe step is take my Pythoncard 
setup and compare with the standard 0.82 Pythoncard to list all of the 
changes before committing.  Then I can document what changes I made.

I tried a number of directory comparison programs and none give me the 
result of a local CVS or SVS can do.

But I got a problem: I can't get CVSNT to work while TortuiseCVS works.  
Got SVS server to work but can't get TortuiseSVS to work.  Any 
suggestions, anybody (Windows 7, 64 bit)


On 4/22/2011 6:57 PM, Andy Todd wrote:
> On 21/04/11 3:01 PM, John Henry wrote:
>> Here's another one:
>>
>> http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/
>>
>> <http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/>You can see that everyone of the
>> widgets are Pythoncard widgets - mapped to Qoosdoo widgets.
>> --
>> John Henry
>>
>>
>>      *From:* Alec Bennett<wry...@gm...>
>>      *To:* BBands<bb...@gm...>
>>      *Cc:* pyt...@li...
>>      *Sent:* Wed, April 20, 2011 5:51:52 PM
>>      *Subject:* Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened
>>      to PyQooxCard)
>>
>>       >  Doesn't that deserve a new release?
>>
>>      Agreed, yes.
>>
>>      Also, those web-based PythonCard apps are amazing. Is that project
>>      still available?
>>
> If no one objects I'm happy to give John commit privileges to the
> repository. That way he can add his changes and produce a 1.0 release.
>
> Regards,
> Andy

[Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[BBands <bb...@gm...>]

Applause!

   jab

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Andy Todd <an...@ha...> wrote:
> If no one objects I'm happy to give John commit privileges to the
> repository. That way he can add his changes and produce a 1.0 release.
>
> Regards,
> Andy

Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[Andy T. <an...@ha...>]

On 21/04/11 3:01 PM, John Henry wrote:
> Here's another one:
>
> http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/
>
> <http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/>You can see that everyone of the
> widgets are Pythoncard widgets - mapped to Qoosdoo widgets.
> --
> John Henry
>
>
>     *From:* Alec Bennett <wry...@gm...>
>     *To:* BBands <bb...@gm...>
>     *Cc:* pyt...@li...
>     *Sent:* Wed, April 20, 2011 5:51:52 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened
>     to PyQooxCard)
>
>      > Doesn't that deserve a new release?
>
>     Agreed, yes.
>
>     Also, those web-based PythonCard apps are amazing. Is that project
>     still available?
>

If no one objects I'm happy to give John commit privileges to the 
repository. That way he can add his changes and produce a 1.0 release.

Regards,
Andy
-- 
 From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/

Re: [Pythoncard-users] PDFwindow

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

Go to:

http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/

and select "Feature Requests"  and my uploads are listed under ecs106 and 
ecs1749
 --
John Henry



----- Original Message ----
> From: "Wagner, John" <ja...@me...>
> To: "pyt...@li..." 
><pyt...@li...>
> Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 8:45:44 AM
> Subject: [Pythoncard-users] PDFwindow
> 
> John Henry,
> 
> Can you point me to the location for downloading your  previous pythoncard 
>widgets and tools?  I haven't been able to find the  PDFwindow, and your other 
>contributions to pythoncard.
> 
> I agree totally  about a new version.  Pythoncard is a great tool and should be 
>updated to  include all the recent components.
> 
> Thanks,
> John  W
> 
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[Pythoncard-users] PDFwindow

[Wagner, J. <ja...@me...>]

John Henry,

Can you point me to the location for downloading your previous pythoncard widgets and tools?  I haven't been able to find the PDFwindow, and your other contributions to pythoncard.

I agree totally about a new version.  Pythoncard is a great tool and should be updated to include all the recent components.

Thanks,
John W

Re: [Pythoncard-users] Matplotlib widget and Dynamic Graph demo

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

Ah, this is easier than I thought.  Multiple dynamic graph in one window - one 
per panel.  See attached jpeg.  This is the kind of plots I always wanted to do. 
 Now it's trivial to do under Pythoncard.


 --
John Henry



----- Original Message ----
> From: John Henry <ec...@ya...>
> To: pyt...@li...
> Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:53:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Pythoncard-users] Matplotlib widget and Dynamic Graph demo
> 
> Glad you like it.  As an engineer, I always wished that I can do this kind  of 

> graphs.  My GUI programming skill is restricted to Pythoncard  only.  Now, the 

> door is wide open for me.
> 
> The example I am  working on is even more impressive.  Now that I know how to 
> have  multiple panels in one Window, I want to show how to do multiple dynamic 

> curves in a window!
>  --
> John Henry
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original  Message ----
> > From: "Wagner, John" <ja...@me...>
> > To: "pyt...@li..." 
> ><pyt...@li...>
> >  Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 9:37:30 AM
> > Subject: [Pythoncard-users]  Matplotlib widget and Dynamic Graph demo
> > 
> > The pythoncard dynamic  graph and matplotlib widget are wonderful.  The  
> >matplotlib  widget is a major addition to pythoncard, and the dynamic graph 
>makes  
>
> >an excellent demo.  Thanks for posting it.
> > 
> >  John  Wagner
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original  Message-----
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> >[mailto:pyt...@li...] 
> >
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> > To: pyt...@li...
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> > 
> >     1. Dynamic  Graph in Matplotlib/Pythoncard (was Re:     Added
> >        Matplotlib FigureCanvas widget to Pythoncard)  (John  Henry)
> >    2. Re: Action Editor resurracted (Alec   Bennett)
> >    3. Re: Action Editor resurracted (John   Henry)
> > 
> > 
> >  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message:  1
> > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 20:54:56 -0700  (PDT)
> > From: John Henry <ec...@ya...>
> > Subject:   [Pythoncard-users] Dynamic Graph in Matplotlib/Pythoncard
> >       (was Re:    Added Matplotlib FigureCanvas widget to   Pythoncard)
> > To: John Henry <kim...@ya...>,
> >     pyt...@li...
> >  Message-ID:  <295...@we...>
> >  Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > 
> > I uploaded  a port of the 2nd example at  
> >http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2008/08/01/matplotlib-with-wxpython-guis/  for a  
>
> >dynamic graph (like a moving strip recorder) using the  Pythoncard Matplotlib  
>
> >widget I added.
> > 
> > 
>>https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3288729&group_id=19015&atid=369015
>5
> >5
> > 
> > 
> >   Have fun!
> >  --
> > John Henry
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >From: John Henry <ec...@ya...>
> > >To: pyt...@li...
> >  >Sent:  Wed, April 13, 2011 8:42:52 PM
> > >Subject: Added  Matplotlib FigureCanvas  widget to Pythoncard
> > >
> >  >
> > >There are still work to be done but  for an early (and  working) version, 
> > >download
> > >from:
> > >
> >  >
> > >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=19015&atid=369015
> >  >
> > >
> > >It  might require my earlier submittions  (pdfwindow, flashwindow,  
> > >drag-n-drop tree, MDLWindow w  Sash)...
> > > --
> > >John  Henry
> > --------------  next part --------------
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> > ------------------------------
> > 
> >  Message: 2
> > Date:  Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:34:59 -0700
> > From:  Alec Bennett <wry...@gm...>
> > Subject:  Re:  [Pythoncard-users] Action Editor resurracted
> > To: John Henry  <kim...@ya...>
> >  Cc: pyt...@li...
> >  Message-ID:  <BANLkTiksZdQnNx+TYuREFLnn=J0g...@ma...>
> >  Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > 
> > Thank  you!
> > 
> > Is there a list of  what files have been  modified?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:25  PM,  John Henry <ec...@ya...> wrote:
> > 
> > > In  2004, there was a experimentalResourceEditor released  with  
>PythonCard.
> > >  To be honest, it wasn't very good (in  my humble  opinion).  However, 
> > > it had one feature that I  like a lot - the  Action Editor.  This is a 
> > > dialog for  selecting which action (or  methods) to activate for a 
>particular 
>
> >widget.
> > >  For instance, if you  created a button,  you can select mouseClick, 
> > > mouseMove, and so  forth.  It  was very nice because now I don't have to 
> > > memorize  which  widget can do what.  I just select that from a list.
> > >
> >  >  It appears the code was never finished - or at least to the degree I 
> > >  like to see it.  With a later release of layoutEditor  (not sure if it 
> > > was later or not but nonetheless, layoutEditor is  what I use), this 
> > > feature was dropped - or never included in   layoutEditor.
> > >
> > > Well, I like the feature so much that I  decided to  have it resurrected.
> > >  With the package  uploaded (need to overlay on  top of the existing one 
> > > - do  your backup of the entire Pythoncard  directory because I did some 
> >  > mod to model.py and so  forth), you will see a ActionEditor  button in 
> > > the Property  Editor window and when clicked, brings up the  original 
> > >  ActionEditor (cleaned up and debugged).
> > >
> > > In   addition to just setting the actionBinding of the widget, I went a 
> >  >  little further:  it actually generates a code-stub for each of  those 
> > > actions
> > > (!!!) which helps me  tremendously.  I hope this  mod is useful to othres.
> >  >
> > > BTW: A minor tweak with this version of  layoutEditor -  when you create 
> > > a new project, you can select which   FrameClass to use.  The default is 
> > > model.Background, of   course.
> > >
> > > Have fun with it:
> > >
> >  >
> > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3288344&group_id=1901
> >  >  5&atid=369015
> > >
> > > --
> > > John   Henry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > Workload  Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server  virtualization 
> > > is a top  priority.Virtualization can reduce  costs, simplify 
> > > management, and  improve application  availability and disaster 
> > > protection. Learn more  about  boosting the value of server 
> > > virtualization.   http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev
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> > Message: 3
> > Date:   Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:00:09 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: John Henry <ec...@ya...>
> > Subject:  Re:  [Pythoncard-users] Action Editor resurracted
> > To: Alec Bennett  <wry...@gm...>,     John  Henry
> >     <kim...@ya...>
> >  Cc: pyt...@li...
> >  Message-ID:  <621...@we...>
> >  Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > 
> > Sorry,  don't have that list but should be  obvious from the zip  file.
> >  --
> > John Henry
> > 
> > 
> > >
> >  >From:  Alec Bennett <wry...@gm...>
> > >To:  John  Henry <kim...@ya...>
> >  >Cc: pyt...@li...
> >  >Sent:  Mon, April 18, 2011 5:34:59 AM
> > >Subject: Re:  [Pythoncard-users] Action  Editor resurracted
> > >
> >  >Thank you!
> > >
> > >Is there a list of  what files have  been modified? 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >  >On Sat,  Apr 16, 2011 at 7:25 PM, John Henry <ec...@ya...>  wrote:
> >  >
> > >In 2004, there was a experimentalResourceEditor released   with 
> > >PythonCard.  To be honest, it wasn't very good (in my  humble  opinion).  
> > >However, it had one feature that I  like a lot - the  Action Editor.  
> > >This is a dialog for  selecting which action (or  methods) to activate 
> > >for a  particular widget.  For instance, if you  created a button, you 
> > >can select mouseClick, mouseMove, and so  forth.  It was  very nice 
> > >because now I don't have to memorize which  widget  can do what.  I just 
>select 
>
> >that from a  list.
> >  >>
> > >>
> > >>It appears the code was never  finished  - or at least to the degree I 
> > >>like to see  it.  With a later  release of layoutEditor (not sure if it 
> >  >>was later or not but  nonetheless, layoutEditor is what I use),  this 
> > >>feature was dropped -  or never included in  layoutEditor.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Well, I   like the feature so much that I decided to have it 
> >  >>resurrected.  With the package uploaded (need to overlay on  top  of the 
> > >>existing one - do your backup of the entire  Pythoncard  directory 
> > >>because I did some mod to model.py  and so forth), you will  see a 
> > >>ActionEditor button in the  Property Editor window and when  clicked, 
>brings 
>
> >up the  original  ActionEditor (cleaned up and  debugged).
> >  >>
> > >>
> > >>In addition to just setting the   actionBinding of the widget, I went a 
> > >>little
> >  >>further:  it actually generates a code-stub  for each of those  actions 
> > >>(!!!) which helps me tremendously.  I  hope  this mod is useful to othres.
> > >>
> > >>BTW: A minor  tweak  with this version of layoutEditor - when you create 
> >  >>a new project,  you can select which FrameClass to use.  The  default is 
> > >>model.Background, of   course.
> >  >>
> > >>
> > >>Have fun with  it:
> >  >>
> > >>
> > >>https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3288344&group_id=1901
> >  >>5&atid=369015
> > >>
> >   --
> >  >>John   Henry
> >  >>----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  >>--------  Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial 
> > >>Workload  Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server  virtualization 
> > >>is a  top priority.Virtualization can  reduce costs, simplify 
> > >>management,  and improve  application availability and disaster 
> > >>protection. Learn   more about boosting the value of server 
> > >>virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev
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Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

Here's another one:

http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/

You can see that everyone of the widgets are Pythoncard widgets - mapped to 
Qoosdoo widgets.
 --
John Henry


>
>From: Alec Bennett <wry...@gm...>
>To: BBands <bb...@gm...>
>Cc: pyt...@li...
>Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 5:51:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to 
>PyQooxCard)
>
>> Doesn't that deserve a new release?
>
>Agreed, yes.
>
>Also, those web-based PythonCard apps are amazing. Is that project still 
>available?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[Alec B. <wry...@gm...>]

> Doesn't that deserve a new release?

Agreed, yes.

Also, those web-based PythonCard apps are amazing. Is that project still
available?

[Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[BBands <bb...@gm...>]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:36 PM, John Henry <ec...@ya...> wrote:

> Doesn't that deserve a new release?

Yes!

And thanks for all your efforts.

John

[Pythoncard-users] From desktop to web (what happened to PyQooxCard)

[John H. <ec...@ya...>]

Several years ago, I modified the layouteditor and created an application call 
PyQooxCard.  (see: 
https://sites.google.com/a/qxtransformer.org/qxtransformer/documentation-0-3/pqc ).
  It allows developers to run the same GUI at the desktop and easily post that 
to the web.

I thought that should have been a big deal.  Not a single soul downloaded my 
demo.

The only one benefited is the company I work for 
(see http://epc.powersystemadvisors.com/ and http://showcase.powersystemadvisors.com/#Form -
 those are PythonCard applications).

I never kept up with that project.  May be the idea of running an application 
over browser is still too much for the world.

My honest guess is more that people perceive Pythoncard as a dead project.  It 
never even reached 1.0 status.  So, why would they invest in a tool that's dead?

That's why I honest believe (pleading, really) that we pull things together and 
release a 1.0.  Look at the list of items I've added:

pdfwindow, flashwindow, iehtmlwindow, drag-&-dropEnabled Tree, minimizableWindow 
(minimize to the windows taskbar), matlibplotCanvas, actionEditor, MDL windows, 
Sash windows, radio buttons (not group, we already have that), multi-panel 
Windows...

Doesn't that deserve a new release?
 --
John Henry