python-ldap-dev

tarball vs. download URL

[Jens V. <je...@da...>]

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While we're on the topic of packaging, I have one more request:

Please upload the software (the tarball) to PyPI instead of using the  
Sourceforge URL as download URL. While setuptools itself can (at least  
most of the time) interact with SourceForge, software that replicates  
Egg servers is normally unable to do so. So if people set up a egg  
server mirror all those Sourceforge download URLs turn into pumpkins  
and those packages must be managed manually. Huge pain. So pretty  
please, don't use Sourceforge download URLs. Upload the tarball into  
PyPI.

jens


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Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Michael S. <mi...@st...>]

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> While we're on the topic of packaging, I have one more request:
> 
> Please upload the software (the tarball) to PyPI instead of using the  
> Sourceforge URL as download URL.

Does that look correct to you?

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-ldap/2.3.6

Ciao, Michael.

Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Jens V. <je...@da...>]

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On Apr 7, 2009, at 13:48 , Michael Ströder wrote:

> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>> While we're on the topic of packaging, I have one more request:
>>
>> Please upload the software (the tarball) to PyPI instead of using the
>> Sourceforge URL as download URL.
>
> Does that look correct to you?
>
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-ldap/2.3.6

Yes, that's great, thanks a lot! :-)

jens


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Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Michael S. <mi...@st...>]

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> 
> On Apr 7, 2009, at 13:48 , Michael Ströder wrote:
> 
>> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>>> While we're on the topic of packaging, I have one more request:
>>>
>>> Please upload the software (the tarball) to PyPI instead of using the
>>> Sourceforge URL as download URL.
>> Does that look correct to you?
> 
>> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-ldap/2.3.6
> 
> Yes, that's great, thanks a lot! :-)

And please remind me to do it for newer releases if I forgot it... ;-)

Anyway in the long run python-ldap should move away from SF anyway. The
new web UI is even worse...

Ciao, Michael.

Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Jens V. <je...@da...>]

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On Apr 7, 2009, at 15:43 , Michael Ströder wrote:

> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2009, at 13:48 , Michael Ströder wrote:
>>
>>> Does that look correct to you?
>>> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-ldap/2.3.6
>>
>> Yes, that's great, thanks a lot! :-)
>
> And please remind me to do it for newer releases if I forgot it... ;-)
>
> Anyway in the long run python-ldap should move away from SF anyway.  
> The
> new web UI is even worse...

Yes, absolutely. I can't stand SF.

Personally, I haven't had the need to search for a service that offers  
something like SF, including version control and bug tracking. I  
either use my own systems, or those used by the Zope developer  
community.

One candidate you could look at, if you have a minute, is Launchpad.  
They have all kinds of nice services, but there's one big drawback:  
They force you onto their own VCS (bzr). I have not looked at any  
other sites like Google Code.

jens


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Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Sidnei da S. <sid...@gm...>]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jens Vagelpohl <je...@da...> wrote:
> Personally, I haven't had the need to search for a service that offers
> something like SF, including version control and bug tracking. I
> either use my own systems, or those used by the Zope developer
> community.
>
> One candidate you could look at, if you have a minute, is Launchpad.
> They have all kinds of nice services, but there's one big drawback:
> They force you onto their own VCS (bzr). I have not looked at any
> other sites like Google Code.

That's not true. You are not required to use bzr, you can easily host
your code somewhere. When setting up a project you have the option to
specify a CVS or Subversion repo URL. Regular code imports from CVS
and SVN are supported too, and many Zope projects are being mirrored
in Launchpad's Code Hosting. Soon git  will be supported for code
mirroring too.

-- 
Sidnei da Silva
Canonical Ltd.
 Landscape · Changing the way you manage your systems
http://landscape.canonical.com

Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Jens V. <je...@da...>]

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On Apr 7, 2009, at 18:38 , Sidnei da Silva wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jens Vagelpohl <je...@da...>  
> wrote:
>> Personally, I haven't had the need to search for a service that  
>> offers
>> something like SF, including version control and bug tracking. I
>> either use my own systems, or those used by the Zope developer
>> community.
>>
>> One candidate you could look at, if you have a minute, is Launchpad.
>> They have all kinds of nice services, but there's one big drawback:
>> They force you onto their own VCS (bzr). I have not looked at any
>> other sites like Google Code.
>
> That's not true. You are not required to use bzr, you can easily host
> your code somewhere. When setting up a project you have the option to
> specify a CVS or Subversion repo URL. Regular code imports from CVS
> and SVN are supported too, and many Zope projects are being mirrored
> in Launchpad's Code Hosting. Soon git  will be supported for code
> mirroring too.

Code mirroring != code repository. I was listing examples which offer  
both code hosting and additional services. Separating it up doesn't  
seem desirable unless there's no other solution.

jens



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Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Michael S. <mi...@st...>]

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> 
> Personally, I haven't had the need to search for a service that offers  
> something like SF, including version control and bug tracking. I  
> either use my own systems, or those used by the Zope developer  
> community.

I tend to either ask the folks at python.org what they could provide or
set up a separate thing. Another option I'd like would be to ask the
OpenLDAP project to host python-ldap. At the moment there are not many
contributions by other developers so I'd keep things simple anyway.

> One candidate you could look at, if you have a minute, is Launchpad.  
> They have all kinds of nice services, but there's one big drawback:  
> They force you onto their own VCS (bzr).

That's a show-stopper. I don't a want proprietary VCS.

> I have not looked at any other sites like Google Code.

I don't like to put things on Google either.

Ciao, Michael.

Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Jens V. <je...@da...>]

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On Apr 7, 2009, at 19:03 , Michael Ströder wrote:

> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>> One candidate you could look at, if you have a minute, is Launchpad.
>> They have all kinds of nice services, but there's one big drawback:
>> They force you onto their own VCS (bzr).
>
> That's a show-stopper. I don't a want proprietary VCS.
>
>> I have not looked at any other sites like Google Code.
>
> I don't like to put things on Google either.

I fully agree on both points, I was just trying to list alternatives ;-)

jens


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Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Michael S. <mi...@st...>]

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> 
> On Apr 7, 2009, at 19:03 , Michael Ströder wrote:
> 
>> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>>> One candidate you could look at, if you have a minute, is Launchpad.
>>> They have all kinds of nice services, but there's one big drawback:
>>> They force you onto their own VCS (bzr).
>> That's a show-stopper. I don't a want proprietary VCS.
> 
>>> I have not looked at any other sites like Google Code.
>> I don't like to put things on Google either.
> 
> I fully agree on both points, I was just trying to list alternatives ;-)

Thanks for raising the alternatives so we can preclude quickly them
without further investigation.. ;-)

Ciao, Michael.

Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Sidnei da S. <si...@en...>]

2009/4/7 Michael Ströder <mi...@st...>:
>> One candidate you could look at, if you have a minute, is Launchpad.
>> They have all kinds of nice services, but there's one big drawback:
>> They force you onto their own VCS (bzr).
>
> That's a show-stopper. I don't a want proprietary VCS.

bzr is not proprietary. It's a GNU project.

-- 
Sidnei da Silva

Re: tarball vs. download URL

[Waldemar O. <wal...@gm...>]

2009/4/7 Michael Ströder <mi...@st...>:
> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I haven't had the need to search for a service that offers
>> something like SF, including version control and bug tracking. I
>> either use my own systems, or those used by the Zope developer
>> community.
>
> I tend to either ask the folks at python.org what they could provide or
> set up a separate thing. Another option I'd like would be to ask the
> OpenLDAP project to host python-ldap. At the moment there are not many
> contributions by other developers so I'd keep things simple anyway.
>
>> One candidate you could look at, if you have a minute, is Launchpad.
>> They have all kinds of nice services, but there's one big drawback:
>> They force you onto their own VCS (bzr).
>
> That's a show-stopper. I don't a want proprietary VCS.

FYI.
Bazaar [http://bazaar-vcs.org/] is not a proprietary.
It is licensed under GPL-2 and coded in Python, same as Mercurial.
It's usage is dictated by the service, similar to others:
Launchpad -> bzr
Google -> svn
BitBucket -> hg
GitHub -> git

Waldemar