[Pysdl-devel] Re: PySDL-devel digest, Vol 1 #86 - 2 msgs

[Daniel C. <dan...@ya...>]

Hello,

	I'm Daniel Clark, I'm 16 years old and I've bean
doing python programming for about 8 months and C++
for about 3 1/2 weeks.  I use PySDL mainly because all
attemps of mine to get pygame going has failed.  I
have most of my programs in python availble in exe
form at http://thingies.dhs.org/~liquidrock/ . As far
as PySDL being removed from sourceforge, I think that
would be bad in my situation.  I've used PySDL for 6+
programs and have found it very useful even in its
unfinished state.  I would really apreciate having the
source code made available and possibly other people
and/or myself continueing the project for anyone who
has a similar situation.  If the source could be made
available I'm sure many whould take on the project and
possibly use much of pygame, good for having
compatibility for python 1.5.2.  I do believe that 2
free projects that do the same thing is a bit tedious,
but for all the reaqsons above I believe it will be
somewhat profitable.  Thanks, Daniel Clark


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>   1. Future of pySDL (David Clark)
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> From: David Clark <si...@te...>
> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:55:45 -0800 (PST)
> To: pys...@li...
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> Subject: [Pysdl-devel] Future of pySDL
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> Hi. I'm David Clark; I'm listed as dclark under
> Project Admins on the
> sourceforge main page. I was responsible for the
> documentation on the
> pysdl project. I don't know if anyone even reads
> this list anymore,
> but if anyone is out there, I'd like your opinion on
> the status of
> pySDL.
> 
> I still get about one e-mail a day asking me how to
> get pySDL running
> under Python 2, or asking about support and updates
> to pySDL. I
> generally refer people to Pete Shinners pygame
> project
> (http://pygame.seul.org), which I describe as a
> maintained and very
> active fork of the pySDL project. The project
> statistics show that
> pySDL still gets around twenty views a day, and
> around ten downloads a
> week, in spite of the fact that it has been
> abandoned since July 9th.
> 
> The problem I see is that people are still referred
> here by Freshmeat,
> Sourceforge's own search engine, the Starship, and
> by the SDL
> homepage. I wonder if having an abandoned project as
> the only
> advertised python wrapper to SDL is turning away
> people who could
> otherwise be writing good code. I was thinking of
> doing the following:
> 
> - Asking Sam Lantinga to change the Python wrapper
> link at
> www.libsdl.org to pygame.seul.org.
> 
> - Asking Sourceforge to take down the pysdl project.
> I have no ability
> to do this myself; Mark Baker was the one who
> created the project and
> established sourceforge as its home.
> 
> My question is: Does anyone disagree? Is anyone
> using pySDL in
> production work? Would anyone care if it went away,
> and was officially
> replaced by pygame? Am I stepping on any toes here?
> 
> I want to be clear: I love the pySDL project. It was
> the first free
> software project I got involved in, and I probably
> had as much
> emotionally invested in it as anyone. There's
> probably no-one who was
> more unhappy to see it descend to its current state
> than me. I don't
> know what caused Mr. Baker to abandon pySDL, and I
> wish there wasn't a
> need for a fork like pygame. I'm just concerned that
> people will be
> confused by the unexplained presence of two
> projects, one relatively
> high-profile but unmaintained, the other very active
> but unknown.
> 
> Opinions? Flames? Anonymous death threats?
> 
> -- 
> David Clark
> si...@te...
> Preliminary pySDL Documentation:
>
http://www3.telus.net/futility/futility/docs/pysdl/index.html
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:52:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Peter Nicolai <pn...@ya...>
> Subject: Re: [Pysdl-devel] Future of pySDL
> To: pys...@li...
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Whatever happens with pySDL, it seems like it makes
> sense for pygame to be linked to from libsdl or
> wherever else.  Maybe Pete Shinners is holding off
> on
> that at this stage so he can have a little more
> freedom to make sweeping changes in it.
> 
> The modular framework of pygame seems like a good
> idea
> and Mark Baker pretty much opposed that, so that's
> something differentiating the two.  also Mark had
> some
> interesting ideas like making pysdl more accessible
> from c code so games could be mostly written in
> python/pysdl and then parts could be more easily
> moved
> to c.  too bad it might never happen, but I guess
> people disappear from scenes all the time.  or maybe
> he'll come back and work on it more, who knows. 
> 
> One thing about pygame that I appreciate is Pete
> Shinners seems to want people to be able to get it
> running on different machines without a huge ordeal.
> 
> his effort to get it working with distutils so that
> wouldn't have to be a total nightmare is pretty
> thoughtful.
>  
> 
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