Thread: [Pyobjc-dev] subversion

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Not to beat a dead horse here, but I propose that we move to Subversion 
after this release.  Bill said he can get us a http repository at 
svn.red-bean.com.

-bob

On 12-mei-04, at 0:58, Bob Ippolito wrote:

> Not to beat a dead horse here, but I propose that we move to 
> Subversion after this release.  Bill said he can get us a http 
> repository at svn.red-bean.com.

I agree. However... what/who is red-bean.com? Their site is very 
unclear about that.

Ronald
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On May 12, 2004, at 3:30 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>
> On 12-mei-04, at 0:58, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
>> Not to beat a dead horse here, but I propose that we move to 
>> Subversion after this release.  Bill said he can get us a http 
>> repository at svn.red-bean.com.
>
> I agree. However... what/who is red-bean.com? Their site is very 
> unclear about that.

I'm not entirely sure.  I believe that they are personal acquaintances 
of Bill's.  red-bean.com hosts the Subversion book, SCPlugin (the 
Subversion Contextual Menu plugin), Bill's personal open source 
repository, my personal open source repository (that I haven't bothered 
to migrate to yet, but it is definitely configured properly), among 
other things.

-bob

On 12-mei-04, at 9:52, Bob Ippolito wrote:

>
> On May 12, 2004, at 3:30 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
>>
>> On 12-mei-04, at 0:58, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>>
>>> Not to beat a dead horse here, but I propose that we move to 
>>> Subversion after this release.  Bill said he can get us a http 
>>> repository at svn.red-bean.com.
>>
>> I agree. However... what/who is red-bean.com? Their site is very 
>> unclear about that.
>
> I'm not entirely sure.  I believe that they are personal acquaintances 
> of Bill's.  red-bean.com hosts the Subversion book, SCPlugin (the 
> Subversion Contextual Menu plugin), Bill's personal open source 
> repository, my personal open source repository (that I haven't 
> bothered to migrate to yet, but it is definitely configured properly), 
> among other things.

Do they have an easy method for making backups of the repository? I 
have a daily backup of the CVS repository on my linux box at home, just 
in case SF screws up. If we'd move to red-bean.com I'd definitely want 
something simular.

Ronald
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On May 12, 2004, at 1:08 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> Do they have an easy method for making backups of the repository? I 
> have a daily backup of the CVS repository on my linux box at home, 
> just in case SF screws up. If we'd move to red-bean.com I'd definitely 
> want something simular.

They do.

http://www.red-bean.com/people.html

Red-bean was created by a group of engineers because they needed a 
reliable set of hosting and server solutions that wouldn't change over 
time as their employment conditions changed.   The members of red-bean 
contain a good chunk of the apache crew, the subversion engineers, and 
contributors to apache, WebDAV (spec and implementation) and other 
critical bits of open source software.

b.bum

On 12-mei-04, at 17:01, b.bum wrote:

> On May 12, 2004, at 1:08 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>> Do they have an easy method for making backups of the repository? I 
>> have a daily backup of the CVS repository on my linux box at home, 
>> just in case SF screws up. If we'd move to red-bean.com I'd 
>> definitely want something simular.
>
> They do.
>
> http://www.red-bean.com/people.html

I had noticed this page, but that doesn't tell me anything (although at 
least some of the names sound familiar).
>

This does:
> Red-bean was created by a group of engineers because they needed a 
> reliable set of hosting and server solutions that wouldn't change over 
> time as their employment conditions changed.   The members of red-bean 
> contain a good chunk of the apache crew, the subversion engineers, and 
> contributors to apache, WebDAV (spec and implementation) and other 
> critical bits of open source software.

Would it be possible to host PyObjC there?

BTW. I'd still like to have a way to make backups of the repository, 
just in case something goes wrong.

Ronald
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On May 12, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> Would it be possible to host PyObjC there?

Yes.  I will set it up this evening.  How can I get a hold of an image 
of the PyObjC raw repository?  I should be able to convert that in a 
fashion that preserves the history.

b.bum

On May 12, 2004, at 11:41 AM, b.bum wrote:

> On May 12, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>> Would it be possible to host PyObjC there?
>
> Yes.  I will set it up this evening.  How can I get a hold of an image 
> of the PyObjC raw repository?  I should be able to convert that in a 
> fashion that preserves the history.
>

actually, now that I've thought about it, since subversion's whole 
repository is in one big bsddb file, you can't really separate them 
unless it is its own distinct repository (which may or may not be the 
route they choose).

In the case where it is its own distinct repository, you would probably 
want a regular copy of svnadmin dump (perhaps an incremental one, to be 
nice).

Maybe there are other replication solutions for svn, that will just use 
svn update to build a repository mirror (that preserves everything but 
subversion revision numbers, I guess)?

-bob

On May 12, 2004, at 9:20 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>> On May 12, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>> Would it be possible to host PyObjC there?
>>
>> Yes.  I will set it up this evening.  How can I get a hold of an 
>> image of the PyObjC raw repository?  I should be able to convert that 
>> in a fashion that preserves the history.
>>
>
> actually, now that I've thought about it, since subversion's whole 
> repository is in one big bsddb file, you can't really separate them 
> unless it is its own distinct repository (which may or may not be the 
> route they choose).
>
> In the case where it is its own distinct repository, you would 
> probably want a regular copy of svnadmin dump (perhaps an incremental 
> one, to be nice).
>
> Maybe there are other replication solutions for svn, that will just 
> use svn update to build a repository mirror (that preserves everything 
> but subversion revision numbers, I guess)?

No -- I want the whole CVS repository for conversion....

> I'd prefer to do the conversion after the 1.1 release, which should be 
> as soon as possible.

OK.

> BTW. What's the easiest way to get a SVN client on my mac?

http://www.pycs.net/bbum/2004/4/20/#200404201

Also -- http://svn.red-bean.com/scplugin/  contains a very nice Finder 
plugin for Subversion.

> A snapshot of the complete CVS repository is here: 
> <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cvstarballs/pyobjc-cvsroot.tar.bz2>

Cool. Thanks.

b.bum

On 12-mei-04, at 17:41, b.bum wrote:

> On May 12, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>> Would it be possible to host PyObjC there?
>
> Yes.  I will set it up this evening.  How can I get a hold of an image 
> of the PyObjC raw repository?  I should be able to convert that in a 
> fashion that preserves the history.

I'd prefer to do the conversion after the 1.1 release, which should be 
as soon as possible.

BTW. What's the easiest way to get a SVN client on my mac?

A snapshot of the complete CVS repository is here: 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cvstarballs/pyobjc-cvsroot.tar.bz2>

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On May 12, 2004, at 12:45 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>
> On 12-mei-04, at 17:41, b.bum wrote:
>
>> On May 12, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>> Would it be possible to host PyObjC there?
>>
>> Yes.  I will set it up this evening.  How can I get a hold of an 
>> image of the PyObjC raw repository?  I should be able to convert that 
>> in a fashion that preserves the history.
>
> I'd prefer to do the conversion after the 1.1 release, which should be 
> as soon as possible.
>
> BTW. What's the easiest way to get a SVN client on my mac?

The most painless way to get a working svn client installed is 
*definitely* this: http://www.codingmonkeys.de/mbo/

-bob

Ronald Oussoren <ron...@ma...> writes:

> On 12-mei-04, at 17:41, b.bum wrote:
>
>> On May 12, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>> Would it be possible to host PyObjC there?
>>
>> Yes.  I will set it up this evening.  How can I get a hold of an
>> image of the PyObjC raw repository?  I should be able to convert
>> that in a fashion that preserves the history.
>
> I'd prefer to do the conversion after the 1.1 release, which should be
> as soon as possible.
>
> BTW. What's the easiest way to get a SVN client on my mac?

The pristine sources compile just fine.

Cheers,
mwh

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On May 12, 2004, at 1:00 PM, Michael Hudson wrote:

> Ronald Oussoren <ron...@ma...> writes:
>
>> On 12-mei-04, at 17:41, b.bum wrote:
>>
>>> On May 12, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>>> Would it be possible to host PyObjC there?
>>>
>>> Yes.  I will set it up this evening.  How can I get a hold of an
>>> image of the PyObjC raw repository?  I should be able to convert
>>> that in a fashion that preserves the history.
>>
>> I'd prefer to do the conversion after the 1.1 release, which should be
>> as soon as possible.
>>
>> BTW. What's the easiest way to get a SVN client on my mac?
>
> The pristine sources compile just fine.

As long as you don't want SSL support.

-bob

On May 12, 2004, at 3:12 PM, David Remahl wrote:

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> On 12 maj 2004, at 19.35, Bob Ippolito wrote:
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>> As long as you don't want SSL support.
>>
>> -bob
>
> Hmm, really? Compiling with --enable-ssl and --with-ssl worked for me, 
> I think.

The problem is that it's neon that requires those flags, not the 
toplevel configure script.  The toplevel configure script doesn't pass 
flags down to neon, at least last time I tried.

In any case, double clicking a binary installer is quicker than 
compiling something yourself even if the configuration was 
straightforward.

-bob

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On 12 maj 2004, at 21.45, Bob Ippolito wrote:

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> On May 12, 2004, at 3:12 PM, David Remahl wrote:
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>> On 12 maj 2004, at 19.35, Bob Ippolito wrote:
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>>> As long as you don't want SSL support.
>>>
>>> -bob
>>
>> Hmm, really? Compiling with --enable-ssl and --with-ssl worked for 
>> me, I think.
>
> The problem is that it's neon that requires those flags, not the 
> toplevel configure script.  The toplevel configure script doesn't pass 
> flags down to neon, at least last time I tried.
>
> In any case, double clicking a binary installer is quicker than 
> compiling something yourself even if the configuration was 
> straightforward.
>
> -bob

It does now. According to my experience, and according to the 
documentation (INSTALL):

       With Unix-based systems, you can enable support for SSL from the
       Subversion build provided that you are building Neon in the
       "./neon/" directory as described above in section I.4.  You also
       need OpenSSL installed on your system.  Just add "--with-ssl" as
       a parameter when you run Subversion's "./configure", and it will
       be passed on to the Neon build system.  If your OpenSSL
       installation is hard for Neon to find, you may need to use
       "--with-libs=/path/to/lib" in addition.  The zlib library is
       included in Neon by default, but you can also specify a path to 
the
       library using "--with-libs".  Consult the Neon documentation for
       more information on how to use these parameters and versions of
       libraries you need.

Perhaps you were using a version from trunk where that functionality 
was temporarily broken? I still agree that the binary installer by Mr. 
Ott is excellent, and unless one wants to build an Apache2 server with 
Subversion support there is little reason to bother with the source.

/ Regards, David

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