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[Pyobjc-dev] No Info.plist?

[Daniel A. <da...@se...>]

Hi people

I'm using Leopard and wanted to give Python + PyObjC another go.

Have built a small interface and saved it as a .nib-file. Now when I  
try to run my main.py, I get:
$ python main.py
2008-03-22 21:38:35.423 Python[460:613] No Info.plist file in  
application bundle or no NSPrincipalClass in the Info.plist file,  
exiting

The examples found on the PyObjC website didn't work this way either.  
My main.py DOES work when I run it through Xcode. Since I can't say  
I'm a fan of Xcode, I'd like to be able to run it in iTerm (or through  
TextMate). Is this possible?

I've googled and googled, but haven't found any tutorials nor howtos  
or anything like it covering PyObjC 2.0, so I'm here begging for help :)

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards,
Daniel

[Pyobjc-dev] [ pyobjc-Bugs-1922597 ] Cannot install on OS 10.5.2

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Submitted By: red (mizraith)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Cannot install on OS 10.5.2

Initial Comment:
Unable to install pyobjc 2.0 on os 10.5.2  due to (what seems) like a host of issues with various pieces during the install process.  Just installed the python 2.5.2  dmg distribution for python.org.     This installed in the /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework location.


File is attached with some of the output issues. 

I believe some of the issues can be traced to the fact that the 
pyobjc-framework-Cocoa  sub package does not compile and install correctly.   This seems to be traceable to 2 modules in the "Modules" directory:     _Foundation_nscoder.m      and _Foundation_inlines.m   and eventually it seems the problem my lie in:

        pybojc-core / Modules / objc / bundle-variables.m  line 220 or so.





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Re: [Pyobjc-dev] Passing objects between PyObjc and SWIG

[Ronald O. <ron...@ma...>]

On 21 Mar, 2008, at 6:08, Kyle Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Ronald Oussoren <ron...@ma... 
> > wrote:
>>
>> On 20 Mar, 2008, at 11:27, Kyle Johnson wrote:
>>> So basically, I need to code something which converts the PyObjc
>>> internal type to a SWIG-understandable internal type.
>>
>> Those types are automaticly generated.
>>
>> You can use the __cobject__() method on all Objective-C or
>> CoreFoundation objects to get a Python CObject that wraps the raw
>> pointer.  That might be easier to convert to something that swig  
>> might
>> understand.
>
>
> Thank you for the info, Ronald. I think I'm going in the right
> direction with this now.
>
> I think there may be some wrapping still going on though with
> __cobject__ as I'm getting invalid context errors from Core Graphics
> (via Cairo).

You are the first user of this API, but looking at the code I'd say  
say that the implementation of __cobject__ is obviously correct.

Are your Cairo wrappers available somewhere? This would be easier to  
debug if I had access to the code.

BTW. If you don't mind having a hard dependency on PyObjC you could  
drop SWIG and use PyObjC instead, with some luck without writing a  
line of C code.   PyObjC can use the bridgesupport files generated by  
gen_bridge_metadata(1) on Leopard, and it should be possible to use  
that tool to generate an XML description of the cairo API's.

Ronald

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] Developing on 10.5, targeting 10.4u

[Kevin A. M. <ka...@ka...>]

On 3/20/08, Ronald Oussoren <ron...@ma...> wrote:
>
>
> On 19 Mar, 2008, at 23:09, Adam Atlas wrote:
> > Using the Apple-supplied PyObjC in 10.5, is it possible to develop
> > applications that will run on 10.4? If I set it to use the 10.4u SDK,
> > it builds just fine and doesn't complain, but it obviously won't
> > actually run on 10.4 because the resulting .app bundle does not
> > contain the Python/PyObjC binaries and support files. How do I work
> > around this? Would I need to install some other distribution of
> > PyObjC? Or am I just missing some build setting or somesuch?
>
>
> The binaries that are included with 10.5 won't work on 10.4.
>
> pyobjc-core in the repository should work on 10.4, but the framework
> wrappers do not due to lack of bridgesupport files.


I replied earlier, but I suppose my reply went directly to Adam only.

If you have a 10.4 installation around that had PyObjC installed, you can
grab enough pieces from it to do PyObjC 1.4 development with Python
2.3while running Leopard. The results are Tiger and Leopard
compatible.

Details, caveats, and limitations here:
http://www.kamit.com/blog-entry/2008/02/16/backwards-compatible-pyobjc-development-leopard

Of course, that doesn't include the improvements made in PyObjC 2.0. But at
least it fills the gap for now, and it's as good as you could get developing
on Tiger.

-- 
Kevin A. Mitchell
http://www.kamit.com/

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] Passing objects between PyObjc and SWIG

[Kyle J. <osm...@gm...>]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Ronald Oussoren <ron...@ma...> wrote:
>
>  On 20 Mar, 2008, at 11:27, Kyle Johnson wrote:
>  > So basically, I need to code something which converts the PyObjc
>  > internal type to a SWIG-understandable internal type.
>
>  Those types are automaticly generated.
>
>  You can use the __cobject__() method on all Objective-C or
>  CoreFoundation objects to get a Python CObject that wraps the raw
>  pointer.  That might be easier to convert to something that swig might
>  understand.


Thank you for the info, Ronald. I think I'm going in the right
direction with this now.

I think there may be some wrapping still going on though with
__cobject__ as I'm getting invalid context errors from Core Graphics
(via Cairo).


I call the cairo function from Python like so:
ctx = NSGraphicsContext.currentContext().graphicsPort()
cairo.cairo_quartz_surface_create_for_cg_context(ctx.__cobject__(), 400, 400)


My wrapper code looks like this:

// definition of cairo function
cairo_surface_t *cairo_quartz_surface_create_for_cg_context
(CGContextRef cgContext, unsigned int width, unsigned int height);

// BEGIN: wrapper code (simplified)
CGContextRef arg1;
unsigned int arg2, arg3;
PyObject *obj0, *obj1, *obj2;

PyArg_ParseTuple(args,(char
*)"OOO:cairo_quartz_surface_create_for_cg_context",&obj0,&obj1,&obj2);
if( PyCObject_Check(obj0) ) {
    // !!! something is wrong here; either the void ptr returned isn't for
    // a CGContextRef or my typecasting/de-pointerizing is bad
    arg1 = *(CGContextRef *) PyCObject_AsVoidPtr(obj0);
} else {
    PyErr_SetString(PyExc_TypeError, "cgContext is not type PyCObject");
    return NULL;
}
// [...] code for obj1/arg2, obj2/arg3
result = cairo_quartz_surface_create_for_cg_context(arg1,arg2,arg3);

// END: wrapper code (simplified)



This shouldn't be a Cairo issue. I have a identical C/Objective-C copy
of my program working without a problem.

-- 
Kyle Johnson

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] Passing objects between PyObjc and SWIG

[Kyle J. <osm...@gm...>]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Ronald Oussoren <ron...@ma...> wrote:
>  Yes. Which methods return a PyObjCPointer when you don't import Quartz?

As far as I know, just NSGraphicsContext.currentContext().graphicsPort()

-- 
Kyle Johnson

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] Passing objects between PyObjc and SWIG

[Ronald O. <ron...@ma...>]

On 20 Mar, 2008, at 11:27, Kyle Johnson wrote:
>
>
> A semi-related question: if I'm getting objects of type PyObjCPointer
> when I do not import the PyObjc Quartz lib, but then I get objects of
> "actual" types ("core-foundation class CGContextRef" in this case)
> when I include the PyObjc Quartz lib, is that an indication that I
> _must_ include the Quartz lib?

Yes. Which methods return a PyObjCPointer when you don't import Quartz?

>
>> From my digging so far, I think that just dealing with PyObjCPointers
> and SWIG would be relatively simple; I just have that nagging idea
> that PyObjCPointers are results of errors though. :)

PyObjCPointers are definitely something you don't want to use. They  
are the last resort for wrapping an arbitrary C pointer and should  
never occur when a library is properly wrapped.

Ronald

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] Passing objects between PyObjc and SWIG

[Ronald O. <ron...@ma...>]

On 20 Mar, 2008, at 11:27, Kyle Johnson wrote:
> I have a C library (Cairo) which accesses Core Graphics. I've wrapped
> it up in a SWIG binding so I can easily access it from Python.
>
> Everything is great when calling functions in it and passing around
> objects from Apple's CoreGraphics Python library (which they generated
> with SWIG as well). However, when I switch from using Apple's
> CoreGraphics to using PyObjc libraries (AppKit and Quartz) and try to
> pass a CGContextRef from a PyObjC lib to the SWIG-wrapped library I
> get errors because SWIG doesn't recognize the PyObjc wrapping of the
> object.
>
> So basically, I need to code something which converts the PyObjc
> internal type to a SWIG-understandable internal type.
>
> Here's the problem: I can't figure out where to dig around in PyObjc
> to find the representation of "core-foundation class CGContextRef." Is
> this something which is being generated automatically and not
> hand-coded somewhere?

Those types are automaticly generated.

You can use the __cobject__() method on all Objective-C or  
CoreFoundation objects to get a Python CObject that wraps the raw  
pointer.  That might be easier to convert to something that swig might  
understand.

Ronald

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] Developing on 10.5, targeting 10.4u

[Ronald O. <ron...@ma...>]

On 19 Mar, 2008, at 23:09, Adam Atlas wrote:
> Using the Apple-supplied PyObjC in 10.5, is it possible to develop
> applications that will run on 10.4? If I set it to use the 10.4u SDK,
> it builds just fine and doesn't complain, but it obviously won't
> actually run on 10.4 because the resulting .app bundle does not
> contain the Python/PyObjC binaries and support files. How do I work
> around this? Would I need to install some other distribution of
> PyObjC? Or am I just missing some build setting or somesuch?

The binaries that are included with 10.5 won't work on 10.4.

pyobjc-core in the repository should work on 10.4, but the framework  
wrappers do not due to lack of bridgesupport files.

Fixing all of that is on my todo list, but I don't know when I'll get  
around doing this because (a) I'm working on some other things and (b)  
I don't use 10.4 anymore.

Ronald

[Pyobjc-dev] Passing objects between PyObjc and SWIG

[Kyle J. <osm...@gm...>]

I have a C library (Cairo) which accesses Core Graphics. I've wrapped
it up in a SWIG binding so I can easily access it from Python.

Everything is great when calling functions in it and passing around
objects from Apple's CoreGraphics Python library (which they generated
with SWIG as well). However, when I switch from using Apple's
CoreGraphics to using PyObjc libraries (AppKit and Quartz) and try to
pass a CGContextRef from a PyObjC lib to the SWIG-wrapped library I
get errors because SWIG doesn't recognize the PyObjc wrapping of the
object.

So basically, I need to code something which converts the PyObjc
internal type to a SWIG-understandable internal type.

Here's the problem: I can't figure out where to dig around in PyObjc
to find the representation of "core-foundation class CGContextRef." Is
this something which is being generated automatically and not
hand-coded somewhere?

A semi-related question: if I'm getting objects of type PyObjCPointer
when I do not import the PyObjc Quartz lib, but then I get objects of
"actual" types ("core-foundation class CGContextRef" in this case)
when I include the PyObjc Quartz lib, is that an indication that I
_must_ include the Quartz lib?
>From my digging so far, I think that just dealing with PyObjCPointers
and SWIG would be relatively simple; I just have that nagging idea
that PyObjCPointers are results of errors though. :)


Thanks!

-- 
Kyle Johnson

[Pyobjc-dev] Developing on 10.5, targeting 10.4u

[Adam A. <ad...@at...>]

Using the Apple-supplied PyObjC in 10.5, is it possible to develop  
applications that will run on 10.4? If I set it to use the 10.4u SDK,  
it builds just fine and doesn't complain, but it obviously won't  
actually run on 10.4 because the resulting .app bundle does not  
contain the Python/PyObjC binaries and support files. How do I work  
around this? Would I need to install some other distribution of  
PyObjC? Or am I just missing some build setting or somesuch?

Thanks for any assistance.
- Adam

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] How good could be pyObjc on the iphone?

[Ronald O. <ron...@ma...>]

On 13 Mar, 2008, at 23:14, mario alejandro wrote:

> I'm a developer with 10+ of experience in developing with  
> Delphi, .NET, Python, FoxPro and other small langauges. I have 2  
> years working in the windows mobile plataform and with the release  
> of the iphone sdk I wish port my actual solution (for take orders)  
> to iphone.
>
> Despite I understan the c-derivates languages and looking at Objc-c  
> is not that bad as C++, as you can see on my language list I prefer  
> run away anything that smell as C ;)
>
> I know pyObjc is already ported to iPhone. Let's imagine that the  
> Apple licence restriction allow to use python here.... how good can  
> be use pyObjc instead of go native?
>
>

The rest message was written without access to an actual iPhone or  
Touch, and hence not necessarily based on reality :-).


> I don't need a explanation on how great is python, I know. I wonder  
> about:
>
> - I can acces the specific abilities of iphone as the contact,  
> photos, accelerometer & seudo-gps?

A PyObjC port would allow access to all Objective-C API's, just like  
on the desktop. So I guess the anwser to your question is "yes".

>
> - Is a nightmare the deployment or is a pice of cake? The end-user  
> need install complex unix-like things, install outside the python  
> interpreter, mess with the iphone configuration or jailbreak it?

That depends on what Apple will allow. If Apple allows PyObjC  
applications on the appstore deployment would be easy.  Even with a  
jail-broken phone it should be possible to tweak py2app to build  
standalone .app bundles that can be installed using Installer.app.

But please not that this does require some enginering work: py2app is  
currently not able to do cross-builds.

>
> - I lost the debugging & tracing or is full suported?

I don't understand the question.

A question you don't specifically ask is: what are the advantages and  
disadvantages of using Python instead of Objective-C on the iPhone.

Let's start with two major-ish disadvantages: you're .app bundle will  
be relatively large because you will have to embed Python (or you have  
to use a jailbroken device and a package manager application). A  
second disadvantage is raw speed: Python code is slower than C code,  
and this tends to be more noticable on slow devices like an iPhone.   
That said, we've deployed hybrid Python/C++ applications on iPaq  
devices (C++ GUI, Python for everything else) and those are perfectly  
usable on devices slower than an iPhone.

The major advantages of Python are the availability of loads of useful  
libraries and a very rapid development process due to having very high  
level language. Those advantages are just as useful on a mobile device  
as on the desktop and server. This should at least allow you to  
prototype your application in Python.

Ronald

[Pyobjc-dev] How good could be pyObjc on the iphone?

[mario a. <ma...@el...>]

I'm a developer with 10+ of experience in developing with Delphi, .NET,
Python, FoxPro and other small langauges. I have 2 years working in the
windows mobile plataform and with the release of the iphone sdk I wish port
my actual solution (for take orders) to iphone.

Despite I understan the c-derivates languages and looking at Objc-c is not
that bad as C++, as you can see on my language list I prefer run away
anything that smell as C ;)

I know pyObjc is already ported to iPhone. Let's imagine that the Apple
licence restriction allow to use python here.... how good can be use pyObjc
instead of go native?

I don't need a explanation on how great is python, I know. I wonder about:

- I can acces the specific abilities of iphone as the contact, photos,
accelerometer & seudo-gps?
- Is a nightmare the deployment or is a pice of cake? The end-user need
install complex unix-like things, install outside the python interpreter,
mess with the iphone configuration or jailbreak it?
- I lost the debugging & tracing or is full suported?

I don't mind do hard work to setup the system for development as long for
the end-user is transparent when deployed.

-- 
Mario A.Montoya
Gerente
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La mejor guía de los lugares donde estar y disfrutar
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[Pyobjc-dev] Embedding python in coca app - use pyobjc to convert between python/objc?

[Amos L. <am...@la...>]

Hi,

I'm new to pyobjc and cocoa. I'm trying to embed python in a cocoa
application. It's working fine, but it seems like a lot of work to
convert objc types to python before calling python functions, and then
convert the resulting python objects to objc objects. I suspect that
there may be a way to use pyobjc to do this kind of conversion for me
more easily and/or more correctly.

I've looked at the pyobjc examples but none of them seem to be written
from the point of view of someone embedding python in an objc
application. My suspicions are that I should figure out how to create
a bundle written in python, and then load that bundle in my cocoa app
and call the functions it defines, with pyobjc taking care of the
python/objc conversions of arguments and return values.

I'd appreciate any suggestions or examples of the best ways to embed
python in cocoa apps.

Thanks!

-Amos

[Pyobjc-dev] 10.5 / PyObjC 2.0 not picking up dependancy?

[Ryan W. <rya...@ma...>]

Hi guys,

I wrote an app with PyObjC 2.0, using the XCode Python Application  
template. This app uses a Python module, and imports it via:

import pyaws.ecs as aws

When the end user runs it, they get an ImportError on launch.

Is there something special I need to do, since I'm not using py2app  
anymore? Or is it something else (like my import statement) that's  
preventing automatic dependancy management?

Thanks In Advance,
_Ryan Wilcox

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone

[Jay F. \(saurik\) <sa...@sa...>]

So, while I am quite focused on Telesphoreo (a project which Apple would
never allow onto their phones: it's a complete distribution of Unixy
utilities for the device), I _am_ intending on providing a stand-alone
environment for the various development platforms I'm providing (Java,
Python, etc.) that will work on the SDK and could be included, entirely self
contained, in your .app folder. My main interests are on promoting
development on the iPhone, which thereby now requires a slightly forked
approach.

So, yes, this will work with the SDK, and stay tuned ;P.

(I have now been given the iphone-dev toolchain project, which I've been
spending the last couple days working on: I now have a linker compatible
with the cpu subtypes in Apple's new SDK linker, and am working on a new
version of my JocStrap Java/Objective-C tool that can generate headers from
Objective-C 2.0 binaries. I also got gcc 4.2 working:
http://www.saurik.com/id/4. I believe a lot of cool stuff is going to be
possibly soon.)

--- legal issues, as someone brought them up. not very important to anyone
who doesn't care. ---

Oh, and on the front of Apple and NDAs: I have signed no NDAs with Apple and
I only have access to the free SDK. On top of that, I don't even own a Mac,
so I've just been ssh'ing into a friend's box and running just the new gcc
without Xcode (and gcc by definition can't have anything in it that would
still be applicable under any reasonable NDA, as all its secrets should
already be provided by Apple as its under GPL). I am pretty sure that I can
talk about this as long as I want and there won't be any problems. ;P

(On which point: Apple should be providing the source code to their
compiler. More to the point, Apple may not even remember that their copy of
"as" in cctools is gas, which is licensed under GPL2 as well, so while I
might actually have the source for Apple's compiler from the latest trunk at
llvm-gcc, I know for a fact that I am missing their cctools, which is
normally distributed from the Darwin Source Code site. So if anyone from
Apple _is_ on this list, I hereby request the source code I have the right
to see and build for myself, and am vaguely angry that I haven't found it in
some obvious place yet.)

Sincerely,
Jay Freeman (saurik)
sa...@sa...
http://www.saurik.com/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Stephens" <rd...@ma...>
To: "Jay Freeman (saurik)" <sa...@sa...>
Cc: <pyo...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone


> Hello,
>
> I'm new to the list, and I am interested in this, thnaks!
>
> Also, I wonder, is pyobjc going to be usable with the new iphone SDK?
>
> Ron

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone

[Jay F. \(saurik\) <sa...@sa...>]

By the way, I'd be happy to help with any effort to getting my changes
pushed upstream with regards to Python (such as in spending more time
cleaning it up), although it would obviously be preferable, just to me, if
someone who knew more about that build environment spent the time to work on
it and I instead worked on say, porting RubyCocoa, which is also on my todo
list ;P.

Anyone know who I should talk to with regards to that? Would they be
interested if I just made a post about it to the Python development mailing
list?

Sincerely,
Jay Freeman (saurik)
sa...@sa...
http://www.saurik.com/

On 8 Mar, 2008, at 17:40, Ian Baird wrote:

> Any thoughts of putting this on github? Might be an appropriate place
> for your branch. I gave bbum an invite a couple of weeks ago and I'm
> pretty sure I could scrounge one up for Ronald and you.

I intend to merge this port into the pyobjc trunk.  I've looked at
Jay's patches and they seem to be clean enough to merge without too
many changes.

BTW. the patches for python at his site are slightly more involved,
but it should be possible to get that port into the python repository
as well (after further cleaning up, they cannot be merged as is).

Ronald

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald Oussoren" <ron...@ma...>
To: "Ian Baird" <ib...@gm...>
Cc: "pyObjC Mailing list" <pyo...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone


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Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyCon 2008

[Noah G. <noa...@gm...>]

On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:35 AM, John Harrison wrote:

> I'll be there and my presentation (#9 on PySight and PyGame) will
> even mention PYObjC briefly as both PySight and my hacked
> DarwiinRemote wrapper.  (Yes this means that I plan to show my head
> tracking demo) I would love to attend an impromptu on PyObjC and
> would also be interested if anyone is presenting on Python/PyObjC on
> the iPhone.
>

Yes, I will be at PyCon Wed night to Tues the next week.  I would love  
to talk about iPhone PyObjC stuff, and regular PyObjc stuff.

> -John Harrison
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Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone

[Ian B. <ib...@gm...>]

Not to throw cold water on any of this, but since it's a public list,  
just remember that the details of the SDK are under NDA. Not that I  
care really, but there are Apple folks on this list and their  
corporate masters might care.

- Ian

On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>
> On 8 Mar, 2008, at 17:37, Ron Stephens wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm new to the list, and I am interested in this, thnaks!
>>
>> Also, I wonder, is pyobjc going to be usable with the new iphone SDK?
>
> I see no reason why it shouldn't be.  I haven't at the SDK yet  
> beyond installing it and building/running one of the template  
> projects in the iPhone emulator though.   I have read on several  
> blogs/websites about the SDK and there are two non-technical issues  
> that might affect us: (1) it won't be possible to share a  
> Python.framework between several applications, as you seem to be  
> limited to installing self-contained applications and (2)  
> appearantly you cannot distribute apps that allow the user to  
> download and run other code. At first glance that would forbid us to  
> create a mobile Python IDE using the SDK.
>
> As I wrote before, this is without properly looking at the SDK,
>
> Ronald 
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Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone

[Ronald O. <ron...@ma...>]

On 8 Mar, 2008, at 17:37, Ron Stephens wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm new to the list, and I am interested in this, thnaks!
>
> Also, I wonder, is pyobjc going to be usable with the new iphone SDK?

I see no reason why it shouldn't be.  I haven't at the SDK yet beyond  
installing it and building/running one of the template projects in the  
iPhone emulator though.   I have read on several blogs/websites about  
the SDK and there are two non-technical issues that might affect us:  
(1) it won't be possible to share a Python.framework between several  
applications, as you seem to be limited to installing self-contained  
applications and (2) appearantly you cannot distribute apps that allow  
the user to download and run other code. At first glance that would  
forbid us to create a mobile Python IDE using the SDK.

As I wrote before, this is without properly looking at the SDK,

Ronald

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone

[Ian B. <ib...@gm...>]

Cool - I'm totally stoked about github, makes community branching and  
sharing really easy to do, although it might be more appropriate to  
have a python-based project in something like Mercurial.

-Ian

On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>
> On 8 Mar, 2008, at 17:40, Ian Baird wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts of putting this on github? Might be an appropriate place
>> for your branch. I gave bbum an invite a couple of weeks ago and I'm
>> pretty sure I could scrounge one up for Ronald and you.
>
> I intend to merge this port into the pyobjc trunk.  I've looked at  
> Jay's patches and they seem to be clean enough to merge without too  
> many changes.
>
> BTW. the patches for python at his site are slightly more involved,  
> but it should be possible to get that port into the python  
> repository as well (after further cleaning up, they cannot be merged  
> as is).
>
> Ronald

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone

[Ronald O. <ron...@ma...>]

On 8 Mar, 2008, at 17:40, Ian Baird wrote:

> Any thoughts of putting this on github? Might be an appropriate place
> for your branch. I gave bbum an invite a couple of weeks ago and I'm
> pretty sure I could scrounge one up for Ronald and you.

I intend to merge this port into the pyobjc trunk.  I've looked at  
Jay's patches and they seem to be clean enough to merge without too  
many changes.

BTW. the patches for python at his site are slightly more involved,  
but it should be possible to get that port into the python repository  
as well (after further cleaning up, they cannot be merged as is).

Ronald

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone

[Ian B. <ib...@gm...>]

Any thoughts of putting this on github? Might be an appropriate place  
for your branch. I gave bbum an invite a couple of weeks ago and I'm  
pretty sure I could scrounge one up for Ronald and you.

- Ian

On Mar 8, 2008, at 4:25 AM, Jay Freeman (saurik) wrote:

> So, a few weeks ago I ported PyObjC to the iPhone, and I'm realizing  
> that I should be doing a better job of telling people how to get  
> it ;P. I don't know if anyone is even interested in this, but I have  
> written a little article about it on my website (http://www.saurik.com/id/5 
> ). Most of it is for iPhone developers who want to get started with  
> PyObjC, but it also explains how to get it and provides a link to  
> some example iPhone application code.
>
> (The short version of getting it is to add http:// 
> apptapp.saurik.com/ as an Installer source, install Cydia Packger,  
> and then install iPhone/Python from the Python category.)
>
> I had to bypass the build environment (as I didn't see how to make  
> it do cross compilation in any easy way) and I made a bunch of  
> modifications to the iPhone assembler to support libffi almost  
> entirely out of the box (I also ported Java a few months ago, which  
> needed this for a setup I built that's similar to PyObjC called  
> JocStrap), but otherwise PyObjC pretty much worked. The changes and  
> build scripts can be found at the Telesphoreo project:
>
> http://svn.telesphoreo.org/trunk/data/pyobjc/port.diff
> http://svn.telesphoreo.org/trunk/data/pyobjc/make.sh
>
> (Sorry about the massive single-file .diff, when I was working on  
> that I was sufficiently in a rush as to not spend the time to break  
> it into a couple patches for the couple things I changed.)
>
> Sincerely,
> Jay Freeman (saurik)
> sa...@sa...
> http://www.saurik.com/
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Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyObjC on the iPhone

[Ron S. <rd...@ma...>]

 Hello, 

I'm new to the list, and I am interested in this, thnaks!

Also, I wonder, is pyobjc going to be usable with the new iphone SDK?

Ron

On Saturday, March 08, 2008, at 03:25AM, "Jay Freeman (saurik)" <sa...@sa...> wrote:
>So, a few weeks ago I ported PyObjC to the iPhone, and I'm realizing that I should be doing a better job of telling people how to get it ;P. I don't know if anyone is even interested in this, but I have written a little article about it on my website (http://www.saurik.com/id/5). Most of it is for iPhone developers who want to get started with PyObjC, but it also explains how to get it and provides a link to some example iPhone application code.
>
>(The short version of getting it is to add http://apptapp.saurik.com/ as an Installer source, install Cydia Packger, and then install iPhone/Python from the Python category.)
>
>I had to bypass the build environment (as I didn't see how to make it do cross compilation in any easy way) and I made a bunch of modifications to the iPhone assembler to support libffi almost entirely out of the box (I also ported Java a few months ago, which needed this for a setup I built that's similar to PyObjC called JocStrap), but otherwise PyObjC pretty much worked. The changes and build scripts can be found at the Telesphoreo project:
>
>http://svn.telesphoreo.org/trunk/data/pyobjc/port.diff
>http://svn.telesphoreo.org/trunk/data/pyobjc/make.sh
>
>(Sorry about the massive single-file .diff, when I was working on that I was sufficiently in a rush as to not spend the time to break it into a couple patches for the couple things I changed.)
>
>Sincerely,
>Jay Freeman (saurik)
>sa...@sa...
>http://www.saurik.com/

Re: [Pyobjc-dev] PyCon 2008

[John H. <joh...@gm...>]

I'll be there and my presentation (#9 on PySight and PyGame) will  
even mention PYObjC briefly as both PySight and my hacked  
DarwiinRemote wrapper.  (Yes this means that I plan to show my head  
tracking demo) I would love to attend an impromptu on PyObjC and  
would also be interested if anyone is presenting on Python/PyObjC on  
the iPhone.

-John Harrison