Re: [Pyobjc-dev] CVS Sucks.

[Bob I. <bo...@re...>]

On Apr 9, 2004, at 1:34 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

> This certainly is a topic that people care a lot about, 17 messages in 
> a night :-)
>
> On 8-apr-04, at 22:40, b.bum wrote:
>
>> Anyone want to move to Subversion?
>
> Why?

Haven't you had problems with sourceforge?  I have to try each cvs 
command 5 or 6 times, and updates take a long time to do.  Anonymous 
stuff is far far worse (at least from my experience with other 
project), when it's working.

>> I can have the project converted, moved over and setup in short order 
>> -- potentially even preserving all history information.  It mostly a 
>> matter of grabbing a block of time where the CVS repository doesn't 
>> change.
>>
>> A number of advantages:
>>
>> 	- it isn't CVS
> sure, and neither is SourceSafe :-)
>
>> 	- web based repos browser that is much more straightforward
> I seldomly use those
>
>> 	- can mount the repos in Finder and drag a copy of the trunk or 
>> branch just like any other filesystem
>
>
>> 	- it isn't CVS
> but why is not being CVS good *for PyObjC*.

Because our current CVS repository sucks, and CVS doesn't play well 
with binary files and bundles, which we have a lot of.. at least in the 
examples and templates.

>> 	- repository checkout -- anonymous or otherwise -- is considerably 
>> more straightforward
>
> the initial CVS checkout is two lines in the shell, that can hardly be 
> called difficult.

svn is nearly the same, but you don't have to login with meaningless 
credentials.  However, there is also the option to just wget the trunk 
for a webdav'ed svn repo (svn.red-bean.com is webdav).

>> 	- no more "wait 24 hours or so before changes are visible in 
>> anonymous repos"
>
> that is a SF problem, not CVS.

Yes, I would like to get off of sourceforge, even if it's just a CVS 
repo somewhere else.  I like subversion though, and it's very easy to 
switch.

>> 	- much better tagging/branching
>
> we don't use those anyway. Well, I do tag official releases but even 
> then I've never felt the need to revisit those.

Well we might if it was easier.. especially for say, experimental 
examples that don't work yet, we still have a couple of those.  
Branching and tagging are just as easy as copying files (in fact that 
is basically what it is).

>> 	- atomic commits
>
> That is a real advantage of SVN.
>
>>
>> Disadvantage:
>> 	- it is a change, and change is scary
> - Interface Builder doesn't know about the subversion meta files, 
> which causes problems

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-bob