Re: [Pyobjc-dev] CVS Sucks.

[Pierce T.W. I. <pi...@tw...>]

> Anyone want to move to Subversion?
>
> I can have the project converted, moved over and setup in short order 
> -- potentially even preserving all history information.  It mostly a 
> matter of grabbing a block of time where the CVS repository doesn't 
> change.
>
> A number of advantages:
>
> 	- it isn't CVS

      Not being CVS isn't an advantage in and of itself. That only works 
in presidential elections.

> 	- web based repos browser that is much more straightforward

    But no Cocoa GUI tool like CVL.

> 	- can mount the repos in Finder and drag a copy of the trunk or 
> branch just like any other filesystem

    If you're not on dialup. And only if the repository is hosted on a 
WebDAV server.

> 	- it isn't CVS

   See above.

> 	- repository checkout -- anonymous or otherwise -- is considerably 
> more straightforward

   It's what two steps to checkout?

> 	- no more "wait 24 hours or so before changes are visible in 
> anonymous repos"

   That's a SF thing, not a CVS thing though.

> 	- much better tagging/branching

   Well, better tagging. I'm not convinced the branching is better.

> 	- atomic commits

   Does PyObjC ever run into this as a problem.

>
> Disadvantage:
> 	- it is a change, and change is scary

      svn has some disadvantages too.

I like Gnu arch better, especially for open source projects.

http://wiki.gnuarch.org/

SVN is definitely a solution to source control, but I'm not convinced 
its better then CVS.

   1. Its slower on dialup then CVS in my experience.
   2. Tagging is better, branching looks better until you try to use it, 
then you realize that they forgot merging, which is the hard part of 
branching. So it ends up just being "different".
   3. The repository is opaque.

  While SVN seems to be better designed then CVS, that's not saying 
much. Its not clear that it adds enough to CVS to be worth the trouble 
to switch.

   tla/arch is both better designed then CVS, and adds enough to be 
worth the trouble, but its hard to learn.

  Pierce