Re: [Pyobjc-dev] Moving from XCode to py2app: xib trouble

[Ronald O. <ron...@ma...>]

On 21 May, 2008, at 22:19, Orestis Markou wrote:

> I quite like the autocomplete that XCode does for python - I hate  
> that it won't auto indent. Oh well.

I'm still prefering vim for coding, none of the available GUI editors  
seem to offer enough to bother trying to retrain my muscle memory.


> Such is life, I guess. I've tried closing XCode and IB subtly  
> complained by adding exclamation marks on the outlets of my class,  
> so it's going both ways. Would be interesting to investigate what's  
> going on...

Indeed. I wish I had the time to do this ;-)

BTW. W.r.t. adding xib support to py2app:  adding that is not entirely  
trivial, there are currently no hooks that you can hook into.  From  
the top of my head I'd say that it would be best to add a framework  
for transforming resources as they are copied into the application  
bundle. One user of that is the .xib->.nib translation, but this could  
also be used to transform other files (such as CoreData models or  
image files).  This framework need not be available for outside users  
at first, just like the collection of recipes.

BTW2. Once you have a patch I can review and apply it. I cannot do  
releases though, AFAIK Bob is the only one that can upload new  
releases of py2app to pypi.

Ronald

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> On 21 Μαϊ 2008, at 9:16 ΜΜ, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
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>>
>> On 21 May, 2008, at 22:04, Orestis Markou wrote:
>>
>>> I can look into patching py2app to call ibtool - any pointers  
>>> about where should I start? Where is py2app svn hosted?
>>
>> http://svn.pythonmac.org/py2app
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding the XCode/IB integration - if you define python source  
>>> files to be opened in an external editor, and you keep xcode in  
>>> the background, it will watch your file and post changes to IB as  
>>> you save. Although I think you want to take XCode out of the  
>>> picture entirely, right?
>>
>> That's right.  To be blunt, Xcode is a waste of resources when you  
>> are writing Python code.  It also makes me depressed because Xcode  
>> contains some tools that might be useful for Python too (such as  
>> the graphical debugger), but there is no way to plug in support for  
>> alternative languages.
>>
>> Ronald
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>>> On 21 Μαϊ 2008, at 10:36 ΠΜ, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 09:48AM, "Orestis Markou" <or...@or... 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> I guess so, but I can't sent my project to anyone that doesn't  
>>>>> have
>>>>> Dev Tools installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't really care - using IB is so nice that I doubt that anyone
>>>>> would do Cocoa GUI development without it.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore de developer tools are a free download (and included  
>>>> on the OSX DVD).
>>>>
>>>> py2app already calls developer tools when you're using CoreData   
>>>> model definitions, and IMHO is should call ibtool to do the xib- 
>>>> >nib conversion of you.
>>>>
>>>> BTW. If anyone has too much free time: it would be very useful to  
>>>> reverse engineer how Xcode communicates with Interface Builder,  
>>>> I'd love to use the automatic detection of classes/outlets when  
>>>> I'm using some other editor as Xcode isn't that useful for doing  
>>>> python development. I currently use a dummy Xcode project just  
>>>> for the Xcode/IB integration, and that's lame.
>>>>
>>>> Ronald
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21 ??? 2008, at 1:06 ??, Greg Ewing wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Orestis Markou wrote:
>>>>>>> Isn't it perhaps better to have py2app invoke ibtool (as  
>>>>>>> proposed by
>>>>>>> Nicholas Riley), or do we not want to introduce a dependency  
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>> Developer Tools ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a .xib file, doesn't that more or less imply
>>>>>> that you have the developer tools to create it in the
>>>>>> first place?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Greg
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