Re: [Pyobjc-dev] re PyObjC Debuggin Best Practices

[Noah G. <noa...@gm...>]

>>  sure I can figure out how to add the scripting to XCode as a shell  
>> script at some point.
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> I don't use Xcode for Python development at all, Xcode is a nice IDE  
> for Objective-C but offers limited support for Python. When I need  
> to debug python code I tend to use print statements. That said, you  
> should be able to use your favorite Python debuggers with PyObjC  
> just like you can use them to debug wxPython programs.

I would like to point out that IPython is also a very good  
alternative.  The readline stuff has been fixed, so it is quite nice  
to get tabbed completion of these huge method names.

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>> I might try Eclipse are well, but I have become used to Komodo  
>> after a year or so of using it and so reluctant to tackle the  
>> Eclipse learning curve unless it offers more than Komodo. Komodo  
>> works great for wxPython debugging and I may just use wxPython  
>> instead of PyObjC for UI components. I am concerned that PyObjC is  
>> second-class on OS X just like the Java-Cocoa bridge was--and we  
>> all know how that turned out in the end. Anyone know of any  
>> commitments to do so, or is PyObjC reached its zenith given Apple  
>> is dropping other non-Cocoa things such as public Carbon-64 to  
>> focus on Cocoa?
>
> There are two major differences between PyObjC and the Java-Cocoa  
> bridge:
>
> 1) PyObjC is a straight 1-1 bridge which seriously reduces the  
> amount of work needed to add support for new APIs to PyObjC. The  
> Java-Cocoa bridge tried to map the ObjC API's to something closer to  
> Java's conventions and that required a lot of manual labor.   That's  
> one reason I've been negative about adding something simular to  
> PyObjC in the past.
>
> 2) PyObjC is developed outside of Apple, Java-Cocoa was a pure Apple  
> project.  This has advantages and disadvantages of course, there is  
> no risk that PyObjC will completely disappear but on the other hand  
> the development team is rather tiny (basicly just me).
>
> It would definitely be nice to be able to use the Xcode tools like  
> the debugger and profiler GUI's on Python scripts and I have filed  
> feature requests that asked for this.  If more people do this we  
> might even get somewhere.
>

It would be great if Apple hired Ronald and made him charge of a team  
of thousands :)
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