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Re: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?

[Dr. D. J. W. P. <da...@ch...>]

Hi David,

ATI radeon 8500 works with the xig.com Summit Xserver,
with stereographics stereo enabler cable (takes sync from the monitor=20
cable)
and infra red emitter box E2 with stereographics infra red shutter=20
glasses.
i don't know if this emitter and enabler cable work with nuvision=20
glasses?

(this commercial X server seems to break my sound though.....confirmed=20=

to me  by xig as a bug)

cheers

Dan



On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 06:28 AM,=20
pym...@li... wrote:

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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:51:27 -0400
> From: "David A.  Horita" <dh...@wf...>
> To: <pym...@li...>
> Subject: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?
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> Hi,
> Is anyone using the Nuvision 60GX stereo glasses with FireGL Z1 or =3D
> QuadroFX 500 cards under linux?  Or any other non-nVidia card which =3D
> supports quad-buffered stereo but doesn't have a mini-din connector =3D
> on-board (i.e., not the 256 Mb FireGL X1).  It would be nice to avoid =
=3D
> the problems with the nVidia stereo drivers, but I'd rather not buy=20
> the =3D
> FX1000+/FireGL X1 level card, and FireGL2/4 are getting old (and hard=20=

> to =3D
> find).  The Nuvision guys told me that their VGA passthrough (the -100=20=

> =3D
> model, not the -NSR model), picks up the stereo sync from nVidia cards=20=

> =3D
> coming through the 15-pin VGA connector.  Is this signal present on=20
> ATI =3D
> cards (or even on dual-DVI-I output cards)?
> =3D20
> Thanks,
> Dave Horita
> =3D20
> -----------------------------=3D20
> David A. Horita, Ph.D.
> Department of Biochemistry
> Wake Forest University School of Medicine
> Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1016=3D20
> Tel: 336 713-4194
> Fax: 336 716-7671=3D20
> email:  dh...@wf...
> web:  http://www.wfubmc.edu/biochem/faculty/Horita/
> =3D20
>
Dr. Daniel James White BSc. (Hons.) PhD
Cell Biology
Department of biological and environmental science
PO Box  35
University of Jyv=E4skyl=E4
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RE: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?

[EPF (E. P. Friis) <ep...@no...>]

Hi all!

> My personal bias is that the added cost to obtain real QBS hardware =
with
built-in stereo support=20
> is well worth the money in terms of time saved on bugs and hassles =
such as
this.

Yes! Real quad-buffered stereo is IMHO crucial for molecular modelling =
work
;-)

> Under Linux, the nVidia Quadro4 750XGL does a fine job, has a =
three-pin
stereo sync plug,=20
> and works with the Nuvision glasses and emitters. While I haven't =
tested
the higher-end FX series,=20
> I have every reason to believe that they would also work just fine =
given
nVidia's unified driver
> architecture.

I doesn't work for me :-(   I ordered a Quadro4 750XGL, and the vendor =
sent
me a Quadro FX1000 by mistake. I didn't notice at first, and just =
installed
the card. Works fine and very fast with the 1.0-4363 version of the =
Linux
driver - but neither PyMOL or VMD detects any hardware stereo.... I =
have to
get it replaced by a 750XGL or 900XGL.

We have some older stereographics glasses, which I expect will work =
with the
Nvidia cards. But we have also bought a set of Eye3D premium glasses. =
They
come with a VGA pass-through cable, which can catch the sync signal =
from any
VGA output. They also support different stereo modes, including =
interlacing,
page-flipping, sync-doubling, and line-blanking. You get two sets of =
glasses
(one wired, one IR) for =88179 or $199. This works nice with PyMOL and =
the Xig
X-server on an ATI Radeon 9000 card, and the "Scanline interleave"
(interlaced) stereo mode in VMD works fine with these glasses and any
graphics adapter. Maybe "scanline interleave" could be a stereo option =
in
PyMOL - it is definitely inferior to quad-buffered stereo, but it works =
with
_any_ graphics card and doesn't require a special driver. (I would =
still go
for QBS, though :-)


Cheers

Esben

RE: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?

[EPF (E. P. Friis) <ep...@no...>]

=20

No, actually I didn't, I thought is was enabled by default, so I must =
admit
I overlooked it in the driver instructions. I have to add the line

Option "Stereo" "1"

to the XF86Config file. That's a pity - the FX1000 is probably faster =
than
the 750XGL :-)  Well - the supplier accidentially swapped my and=20
another costumer's orders - so I was honest and sent it back :-)

Also, even with the cheap GeForce 4MX card currently in the machine, =
the
(mono) graphic performance is incredible - I guess it's an order of
magnitude faster than the VPro6 graphics on our SGIs :-)
=20
Cheers,

Esben

-----Original Message-----
From: Warren L. DeLano
To: EPF (Esben Peter Friis)
Sent: 21-07-03 18:19
Subject: RE: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?=20

Esben,

	Are you sure you correctly configured the nVidia driver
(XF86Config) for Stereo?  It's not automatic, but as AFAIK, all the =
FX's
are QBS capable.

Cheers,
Warren


--
mailto:wa...@de...
Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D.
Principal Scientist
DeLano Scientific LLC
Voice (650)-346-1154=20
Fax   (650)-593-4020

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pym...@li... [mailto:pymol-users-
> ad...@li...] On Behalf Of EPF (Esben Peter Friis)
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:39 PM
> To: pym...@li...
> Subject: RE: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Hi all!
>=20
> > My personal bias is that the added cost to obtain real QBS hardware
with
> built-in stereo support
> > is well worth the money in terms of time saved on bugs and hassles
such
> as
> this.
>=20
> Yes! Real quad-buffered stereo is IMHO crucial for molecular =
modelling
> work
> ;-)
>=20
> > Under Linux, the nVidia Quadro4 750XGL does a fine job, has a
three-pin
> stereo sync plug,
> > and works with the Nuvision glasses and emitters. While I haven't
tested
> the higher-end FX series,
> > I have every reason to believe that they would also work just fine
given
> nVidia's unified driver
> > architecture.
>=20
> I doesn't work for me :-(   I ordered a Quadro4 750XGL, and the =
vendor
> sent
> me a Quadro FX1000 by mistake. I didn't notice at first, and just
> installed
> the card. Works fine and very fast with the 1.0-4363 version of the
Linux
> driver - but neither PyMOL or VMD detects any hardware stereo.... I
have
> to
> get it replaced by a 750XGL or 900XGL.
>=20
> We have some older stereographics glasses, which I expect will work
with
> the
> Nvidia cards. But we have also bought a set of Eye3D premium glasses.
They
> come with a VGA pass-through cable, which can catch the sync signal
from
> any
> VGA output. They also support different stereo modes, including
> interlacing,
> page-flipping, sync-doubling, and line-blanking. You get two sets of
> glasses
> (one wired, one IR) for =88179 or $199. This works nice with PyMOL =
and
the
> Xig
> X-server on an ATI Radeon 9000 card, and the "Scanline interleave"
> (interlaced) stereo mode in VMD works fine with these glasses and any
> graphics adapter. Maybe "scanline interleave" could be a stereo =
option
in
> PyMOL - it is definitely inferior to quad-buffered stereo, but it
works
> with
> _any_ graphics card and doesn't require a special driver. (I would
still
> go
> for QBS, though :-)
>=20
>=20
> Cheers
>=20
> Esben
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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RE: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?

[Warren L. D. <wa...@de...>]

My personal bias is that the added cost to obtain real QBS hardware with
built-in stereo support is well worth the money in terms of time saved
on bugs and hassles such as this.=20

Under Linux, the nVidia Quadro4 750XGL does a fine job, has a three-pin
stereo sync plug, and works with the Nuvision glasses and emitters.
While I haven't tested the higher-end FX series, I have every reason to
believe that they would also work just fine given nVidia's unified
driver architecture.

Quadro4 750XGL ($369)

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?edc=3D389877

Cheers,
Warren

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mailto:wa...@de...
Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D.
Principal Scientist
DeLano Scientific LLC
Voice (650)-346-1154=20
Fax   (650)-593-4020

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pym...@li... [mailto:pymol-users-
> ad...@li...] On Behalf Of Dr. Daniel James White PhD
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:59 AM
> To: pym...@li...
> Subject: Re: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?
>=20
> Hi David,
>=20
> ATI radeon 8500 works with the xig.com Summit Xserver,
> with stereographics stereo enabler cable (takes sync from the monitor
> cable)
> and infra red emitter box E2 with stereographics infra red shutter
> glasses.
> i don't know if this emitter and enabler cable work with nuvision
> glasses?
>=20
> (this commercial X server seems to break my sound though.....confirmed
> to me  by xig as a bug)
>=20
> cheers
>=20
> Dan
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 06:28 AM,
> pym...@li... wrote:
>=20
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:51:27 -0400
> > From: "David A.  Horita" <dh...@wf...>
> > To: <pym...@li...>
> > Subject: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?
> >
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
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> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > 	charset=3D"iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is anyone using the Nuvision 60GX stereo glasses with FireGL Z1 or =
=3D
> > QuadroFX 500 cards under linux?  Or any other non-nVidia card which
=3D
> > supports quad-buffered stereo but doesn't have a mini-din connector
=3D
> > on-board (i.e., not the 256 Mb FireGL X1).  It would be nice to
avoid =3D
> > the problems with the nVidia stereo drivers, but I'd rather not buy
> > the =3D
> > FX1000+/FireGL X1 level card, and FireGL2/4 are getting old (and
hard
> > to =3D
> > find).  The Nuvision guys told me that their VGA passthrough (the
-100
> > =3D
> > model, not the -NSR model), picks up the stereo sync from nVidia
cards
> > =3D
> > coming through the 15-pin VGA connector.  Is this signal present on
> > ATI =3D
> > cards (or even on dual-DVI-I output cards)?
> > =3D20
> > Thanks,
> > Dave Horita
> > =3D20
> > -----------------------------=3D20
> > David A. Horita, Ph.D.
> > Department of Biochemistry
> > Wake Forest University School of Medicine
> > Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1016=3D20
> > Tel: 336 713-4194
> > Fax: 336 716-7671=3D20
> > email:  dh...@wf...
> > web:  http://www.wfubmc.edu/biochem/faculty/Horita/
> > =3D20
> >
> Dr. Daniel James White BSc. (Hons.) PhD
> Cell Biology
> Department of biological and environmental science
> PO Box  35
> University of Jyv=E4skyl=E4
> Jyv=E4skyl=E4 FIN 40014
> Finland
> +358 (0)14 260 4183 (work)
> +358 (0)414740463 (mob)
>=20
> http://www.chalkie.org.uk
> da...@ch...
> wh...@cc...
>=20
>=20
>=20
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Re: [PyMOL] Nuvision stereo glasses?

[D. J. A. <de...@ia...>]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 11:59:17AM +0300, Dr. Daniel James White PhD wrote:

> ATI radeon 8500 works with the xig.com Summit Xserver, with stereographics
> stereo enabler cable (takes sync from the monitor cable) and infra red
> emitter box E2 with stereographics infra red shutter glasses. i don't know
> if this emitter and enabler cable work with nuvision glasses?

They do in my hands, using the NuVision NSR (for non stereo-ready cards like
the 8500) glasses.

--Joe
_____________________________________
D. Joe Anderson, Asst. Sci.                    
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~deejoe