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Is anyone alive ?

I'm looking for some python framework that has performance
as it's strongest point and this project seems to promise that.

--markc

i've done a big update on Pylets.

- matchers can now be full regular expressions
- configuration is now just for the Pylet framework; individual pylets
should handle their own configuration (this was a non-feature.)
- rudimentary support for profiling
- some broken bits in the handler are fixed
- all new bugs introduced, i'm sure

work on ORMit has stalled until i evaluate OODBMS.  anyone have
opinions on ZODB vs GOODS?

it's all in CVS, enjoy - B

ah sorry, i misunderstood your request.

if you wanted to work on a more complete login system, that would be
great.  i can probably hack something up myself when i get back if
it's important to you too.  of course i'd be more than happy to give
help if you wanted to tackle it yourself.

the securetest example doesn't really use any persistence for the
users because i thought it was hard to predict what people would want
to use.  but maybe when i'll get back i'll write a tutorial which is
the creation of such a login system.  it would be a good example of
using pylets and ormit together.

one thing i don't have in the system yet is any sort of reaper.
things like challenge-response and sessions probably would work better
if there was a reaper to cull expired data.  shouldn't be too hard to
write.

thanks for your interest.  let me know what you plan on doing so i
don't overlap with you.

take care, B

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Doug Holton wrote:

> >  > But when it comes to python web frameworks, what I have been looking for
> >  > is a good secure user login example (with sessions, a persistent
> >  > backend, don't have to worry about cross-site scripting, etc.).  There
> >  > are dozens of examples in PHP, but I can't find a good example in Python
> >  > (except for Zope).
>  >
> >  in the example pylets i gave with the distribution (it's on the CVS
> >  stuff) there's an example of a login-page secure site with sessions,
> >  etc.  to make it ssl-encrypted just use apache ssl stuff.  i believe
> >  it is called "securetest".
>
> Right, I guess I was meaning an example of a complete email-based login
> system.  Every python web framework has a basic login example like
> yours, but I haven't seen an application with a login system like many
> PHP apps - email notification of forgotten passwords, challenge-response
> login authentication, flexible authentication methods (mysql, LDAP,
> etc.), access control lists...  There are dozens of open source PHP apps
> that use login systems like these.  Of course they each do it from
> scratch differently every time though.
> So maybe this is something I could try to create sometime using modpython.
>
>
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>  > But when it comes to python web frameworks, what I have been looking for
>  > is a good secure user login example (with sessions, a persistent
>  > backend, don't have to worry about cross-site scripting, etc.).  There
>  > are dozens of examples in PHP, but I can't find a good example in Python
>  > (except for Zope).
 >
>  in the example pylets i gave with the distribution (it's on the CVS
>  stuff) there's an example of a login-page secure site with sessions,
>  etc.  to make it ssl-encrypted just use apache ssl stuff.  i believe
>  it is called "securetest".

Right, I guess I was meaning an example of a complete email-based login 
system.  Every python web framework has a basic login example like 
yours, but I haven't seen an application with a login system like many 
PHP apps - email notification of forgotten passwords, challenge-response 
login authentication, flexible authentication methods (mysql, LDAP, 
etc.), access control lists...  There are dozens of open source PHP apps 
that use login systems like these.  Of course they each do it from 
scratch differently every time though.
So maybe this is something I could try to create sometime using modpython.

sorry i'm on vacation atm so can't give you detailed responses.

please subscribe / post your msgs to the mailing list!

the performance testing i did was very limited.  i was testing how
fast the dispatching / caching framework was.  so i tested very small
pages with tons of hits: this distinguishes between pure throughput
and the dispatching time.  it was within 1.5x the apache times.  i can
publish better numbers when i get back.  the framework is changing bit
by bit, and also i use freebsd, whereas most people seem to use linux
(prefork vs. worker mpm.)  thus i'm a little concerned about
publishing stats.  but i'll try to run some better tests soon.

btw i'm thinking of changing my dispatch model to a shared
finite-state automata, which i think should be equally fast and a bit
more flexible.  but i have to think about it for a bit first.

mod_python sessions are only in 3.1.3 which are only compatible with
apache 2.0.+.  they are thread safe.  actually my code for the shared
cache (which uses sleepycat) could be substituted for a perhaps modest
performance gain.

take care, B

ps the questions are welcome, not annoying!

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, vincent delft wrote:

> I've just discovered your pylet code.
> Can I just ask you 2 quesitions :
> 1)
> have you performance figures ?
> To have a point of comparison you should give the
> perf. you have with static html pages (for example
> index.html.en) with apache.
>
> 2)
> You sessions are based on Mod_python sessions. What
> about this architecture on Apache-2.0 ?
> Does this is cross thread consistent ?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> PS : sorry if I come with annoying questions. Then
> drop the mail.
>
>
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hey sorry i'm on vacation at the moment.

i looked at pythius, logilab etc.  the main issue was i wanted
inheritable aspects, and they seemed to operate on a very dynamic,
"advice" type behavior, not the CLOS method-combination stuff. but
maybe i didn't look close enough.

in the example pylets i gave with the distribution (it's on the CVS
stuff) there's an example of a login-page secure site with sessions,
etc.  to make it ssl-encrypted just use apache ssl stuff.  i believe
it is called "securetest".

take care, B

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Doug Holton wrote:

> Hi,
>   Your web framework looks very interesting, keep up the good work.
>    I saw you are doing some aspect-oriented stuff.  I found some python
> code for "around" and call-next-method:
> http://pythius.sf.net/
> http://www.logilab.org/projects/aspects
> and some other related stuff I collected at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/MetaClasses
>
>
> But when it comes to python web frameworks, what I have been looking for
> is a good secure user login example (with sessions, a persistent
> backend, don't have to worry about cross-site scripting, etc.).  There
> are dozens of examples in PHP, but I can't find a good example in Python
> (except for Zope).
> Maybe I can try something out with pylets or pywork now that I have
> mod_python running.
>
>
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Hi,
  Your web framework looks very interesting, keep up the good work.
   I saw you are doing some aspect-oriented stuff.  I found some python 
code for "around" and call-next-method:
http://pythius.sf.net/
http://www.logilab.org/projects/aspects
and some other related stuff I collected at the bottom of this page:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/MetaClasses

But when it comes to python web frameworks, what I have been looking for 
is a good secure user login example (with sessions, a persistent 
backend, don't have to worry about cross-site scripting, etc.).  There 
are dozens of examples in PHP, but I can't find a good example in Python 
(except for Zope).
Maybe I can try something out with pylets or pywork now that I have 
mod_python running.

manfred, the new CVS versions have docstrings.  sourceforge cvs hasn't
updated yet, but it's in the archive.

i guess this will be my last email to all directly, hope i'm not
bothering you; all further msgs will be sent to the mailing list.

i would appreciate any comments or suggestions.  julian if you wanted
to try to work together i'm still interested.

B

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Ben wrote:

> if you're interested, i just started a mailing list
>
> pyl...@li...
>
> pls subscribe as it is subscribers only to prevent spam.  it should be
> pretty low-traffic, but i'll keep people updated on my progress.
>
> i've started a CVS repository, and will start adding doc strings to
> the code.  i will be working on that periodically, i hope to have it
> done by the end of the week.
>
> julian, if you want to work together that sounds great.  it does sound
> like our frameworks have slightly different goals and different models
> of execution.  but i'm certainly willing to talk about working
> together -- it seems like it's better than working alone.  pylets
> appears to operate at a lower lever than pywork.  maybe they can
> coexist?  pywork on top of pylets?
>
> B
>
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, [iso-8859-1] Juli=E1n Ciccal=E8 wrote:
>
> > May be you could open your own list to discuss your framework.
> >
> > I'm also working on another framework, from a few months ago, may be we=
 can
> > help each other. Mine I've named it PyWork.
> >
> > - julcicc -
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: mod...@mo...
> > [mailto:mod...@mo...] En nombre de Manfred Stienstr=
a
> > Enviado el: lunes, 15 de marzo de 2004 15:49
> > Para: Ben; Mod Python
> > Asunto: Re: [mod_python] Pylets-0.1
> >
> > On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:35, Ben wrote:
> > > I'm actively working on it so suggestions / bug reports are welcome.
> > > Please let me know if you're playing with it so I can inform you when
> > > I find out it's all broken!
> >
> > Your methods and functions don't have docstrings, this could be a nice
> > way to document the framework.
> >
> > Manfred
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

if you're interested, i just started a mailing list

pyl...@li...

pls subscribe as it is subscribers only to prevent spam.  it should be
pretty low-traffic, but i'll keep people updated on my progress.

i've started a CVS repository, and will start adding doc strings to
the code.  i will be working on that periodically, i hope to have it
done by the end of the week.

julian, if you want to work together that sounds great.  it does sound
like our frameworks have slightly different goals and different models
of execution.  but i'm certainly willing to talk about working
together -- it seems like it's better than working alone.  pylets
appears to operate at a lower lever than pywork.  maybe they can
coexist?  pywork on top of pylets?

B

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, [iso-8859-1] Juli=E1n Ciccal=E8 wrote:

> May be you could open your own list to discuss your framework.
>
> I'm also working on another framework, from a few months ago, may be we c=
an
> help each other. Mine I've named it PyWork.
>
> - julcicc -
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: mod...@mo...
> [mailto:mod...@mo...] En nombre de Manfred Stienstra
> Enviado el: lunes, 15 de marzo de 2004 15:49
> Para: Ben; Mod Python
> Asunto: Re: [mod_python] Pylets-0.1
>
> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:35, Ben wrote:
> > I'm actively working on it so suggestions / bug reports are welcome.
> > Please let me know if you're playing with it so I can inform you when
> > I find out it's all broken!
>
> Your methods and functions don't have docstrings, this could be a nice
> way to document the framework.
>
> Manfred
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mod_python mailing list
> Mod...@mo...
> http://mailman.modpython.org/mailman/listinfo/mod_python
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