Yeap... I'd do them right away, the problem is that I still don't have what I need from Eclipse itself for all of it. Actually, according to the Eclipse api, I couldn't even get the input from the console -- fortunatelly, I've learned how to 'hack' my way into Eclipse ;-)

So, I may be able to do some of your requests, but others will depend upon the following request I did in the eclipse tracker:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=127501

Cheers,

Fabio

On 2/19/06, Bill Baxter < wbaxter@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope.  Last time I asked for something it was the interactive debugging console itself, and your response was "it's in the next version already".  So I thought I'd mention these feature requests here first just in case you're already working on it for the next release. :-)

I'll go ahead and submit them to the feature tracker when I get a chance.

--bb


On 2/17/06, Fabio Zadrozny < fabiofz@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey... Did you already put those as feature requests? It is the best place to put those, otherwise your requests might be 'forgotten' when someone actually has time to go and implement them...

Cheers,

Fabio


On 2/17/06, Bill Baxter < wbaxter@gmail.com> wrote:
Another excellent feature is to have is the ability to postmortem debug in the console if the app throws an exception.  IPython lets you do this by automatically invoking pdb when there's an exception in the program, and the matlab debugger has similar functionality.

(I mention it because I just noticed that the new 'probe in suspend mode' feature of pydev doesn't let you do that).

--bb

On 2/17/06, Bill Baxter <wbaxter@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there,

On 2/17/06, Fabio Zadrozny < fabioz@esss.com.br> wrote:

- New feature in the debugger: the console is available for probing when
in 'suspendend mode'

This is a pretty great addition.  How hard would it be to make it act more like a full-featured shell?  I.e.,
- have a promt so you can tell tell that it's waiting for your input,
- respond after just one 'enter' instead of two, 
- print out the value of variables by just typing the variable name (instead of having to type "print variable_name")
- cycle through your command history with keys like up/down-arrow or ctrl-up/down-arrow
- auto-completion of symbols

Ideally it would be nice to just have something like pycrust right there in a tab instead of "Console".  Stani's Python Editor has pycrust built-in like that, but unfortunately it's not connected in any way to your executing program, so it's not so useful.

The ultimate debugger, based on debuggers I'm familiar with, would be a hybrid of that in VisualStudio crossed with Matlab.  VisualStudio does variable and watches nicely.  It's got a list (several lists actually) like Eclipse's 'Expressions', but you can double click to add a new expression or edit an expression.  Eclipse is pretty close there, just needs a more efficient way to edit the expressions.  The Matlab debugger, on the other hand, completely lacks an expression list, but its best feature is that when you hit a breakpoint, you just have your normal interactive shell prompt there with all it's features, plus all your program's state loaded in memory.  This is an excellent debugging model for a dynamic programming language in my opinion.  If there's some error on the current line, you can quickly try out a bunch of variations to figure out what the proper expression is to get the result you want, using the actual data from your program, without having to cook up a stand-alone test case that creates data similar to what's in your program.

Regards,
Bill Baxter



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