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Re: [Pueblo-Worlds] Linking Help

[Beyond t. S. <bey...@gm...>]

I take it back. I found the configure for debugging MXP/Pueblo and told it
to show me everything. The characters for the URLs are getting escaped out,
but when I try to put the code in url_unescape() it doesn't seem to fix it.
>.>

Any thoughts?

- Serja

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Beyond the Shell <
bey...@gm...> wrote:

> I turned on TRACE in MUSHclient and had it output to a terminal window, but
> for some reason it didn't give me any info regarding where the text was
> coming from. Is there another client you would recommend or any other thing
> I could try?
>
> - Serja
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Gavin Lambert <
> ue...@us...> wrote:
>
>> At 14:39 3/11/2010, Beyond the Shell wrote:
>> >@exitformat here = Exits:%R[iter(%0, <a
>> >xch_cmd="[name(##)]">[html_escape(name(##))]</a>)]
>> >
>> >It gives me the exits with the HTML code visible instead of the
>> >links I want. When I revert to the default exit listing the exits
>> >link just fine, so I am uncertain what I am doing wrong here. >.>
>> >
>> >Can someone tell me what I need to put in so that the game will
>> >parse this correctly, or at least the client? I use MUSHclient
>> >which normally parses Pueblo HTML just fine, but in this case it
>> >seems that the client isn't being told this is HTML to parse but
>> >straight text, even when I use </xch_mudtext> to try and tell it
>> >it's HTML.
>>
>> First of all, have a look in the Trace window.  This shows you
>> what Pueblo is seeing, and should give you a hint as to why you're
>> getting the output you're describing.
>>
>> I can't give any specific info about TinyMUSH myself (since I
>> haven't used it), but generally when a server is Pueblo-enhanced
>> it is set up with two separate output paths -- one for HTML and
>> one for non-HTML.  (Which of these is "normal" varies from server
>> to server.)  Generally, the non-HTML path will try to html-quote
>> or wrap text in <xch_mudtext> tags when connected to an HTML
>> client like Pueblo, and the HTML path will strip out tags when
>> connected to a non-HTML client.
>>
>> What you're probably seeing here is that your text is being
>> html-escaped somewhere higher up the display pipeline, before it's
>> sent to the client (the Trace window should reveal this).  If so,
>> it's probably to avoid confusing people who don't want to enter
>> HTML in most places.  Hopefully there'll be a different message or
>> property or routine you can use that will output the HTML without
>> escaping.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Pueblo-Worlds] Linking Help

[Beyond t. S. <bey...@gm...>]

I turned on TRACE in MUSHclient and had it output to a terminal window, but
for some reason it didn't give me any info regarding where the text was
coming from. Is there another client you would recommend or any other thing
I could try?

- Serja

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Gavin Lambert
<ue...@us...>wrote:

> At 14:39 3/11/2010, Beyond the Shell wrote:
> >@exitformat here = Exits:%R[iter(%0, <a
> >xch_cmd="[name(##)]">[html_escape(name(##))]</a>)]
> >
> >It gives me the exits with the HTML code visible instead of the
> >links I want. When I revert to the default exit listing the exits
> >link just fine, so I am uncertain what I am doing wrong here. >.>
> >
> >Can someone tell me what I need to put in so that the game will
> >parse this correctly, or at least the client? I use MUSHclient
> >which normally parses Pueblo HTML just fine, but in this case it
> >seems that the client isn't being told this is HTML to parse but
> >straight text, even when I use </xch_mudtext> to try and tell it
> >it's HTML.
>
> First of all, have a look in the Trace window.  This shows you
> what Pueblo is seeing, and should give you a hint as to why you're
> getting the output you're describing.
>
> I can't give any specific info about TinyMUSH myself (since I
> haven't used it), but generally when a server is Pueblo-enhanced
> it is set up with two separate output paths -- one for HTML and
> one for non-HTML.  (Which of these is "normal" varies from server
> to server.)  Generally, the non-HTML path will try to html-quote
> or wrap text in <xch_mudtext> tags when connected to an HTML
> client like Pueblo, and the HTML path will strip out tags when
> connected to a non-HTML client.
>
> What you're probably seeing here is that your text is being
> html-escaped somewhere higher up the display pipeline, before it's
> sent to the client (the Trace window should reveal this).  If so,
> it's probably to avoid confusing people who don't want to enter
> HTML in most places.  Hopefully there'll be a different message or
> property or routine you can use that will output the HTML without
> escaping.
>
>
>
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Re: [Pueblo-Worlds] Linking Help

[Gavin L. <ue...@us...>]

At 14:39 3/11/2010, Beyond the Shell wrote:
>@exitformat here = Exits:%R[iter(%0, <a 
>xch_cmd="[name(##)]">[html_escape(name(##))]</a>)]
>
>It gives me the exits with the HTML code visible instead of the 
>links I want. When I revert to the default exit listing the exits 
>link just fine, so I am uncertain what I am doing wrong here. >.>
>
>Can someone tell me what I need to put in so that the game will 
>parse this correctly, or at least the client? I use MUSHclient 
>which normally parses Pueblo HTML just fine, but in this case it 
>seems that the client isn't being told this is HTML to parse but 
>straight text, even when I use </xch_mudtext> to try and tell it 
>it's HTML.

First of all, have a look in the Trace window.  This shows you 
what Pueblo is seeing, and should give you a hint as to why you're 
getting the output you're describing.

I can't give any specific info about TinyMUSH myself (since I 
haven't used it), but generally when a server is Pueblo-enhanced 
it is set up with two separate output paths -- one for HTML and 
one for non-HTML.  (Which of these is "normal" varies from server 
to server.)  Generally, the non-HTML path will try to html-quote 
or wrap text in <xch_mudtext> tags when connected to an HTML 
client like Pueblo, and the HTML path will strip out tags when 
connected to a non-HTML client.

What you're probably seeing here is that your text is being 
html-escaped somewhere higher up the display pipeline, before it's 
sent to the client (the Trace window should reveal this).  If so, 
it's probably to avoid confusing people who don't want to enter 
HTML in most places.  Hopefully there'll be a different message or 
property or routine you can use that will output the HTML without 
escaping.

[Pueblo-Worlds] Linking Help

[Beyond t. S. <bey...@gm...>]

A little background info should probably help someone solve my problem.

I'm currently using Pueblo 1.0 that came with my TinyMUSH 3 install. I am
planning to upgrade to 2.6 but have not yet (I have the binary and the
executable but am uncertain how to install them, but I'll look that over
soon).

The issue I am having is that I want my exits to be formatted in a custom
way, but when I do something akin to:

@exitformat here = Exits:%R[iter(%0, <a
xch_cmd="[name(##)]">[html_escape(name(##))]</a>)]

It gives me the exits with the HTML code visible instead of the links I
want. When I revert to the default exit listing the exits link just fine, so
I am uncertain what I am doing wrong here. >.>

Can someone tell me what I need to put in so that the game will parse this
correctly, or at least the client? I use MUSHclient which normally parses
Pueblo HTML just fine, but in this case it seems that the client isn't being
told this is HTML to parse but straight text, even when I use </xch_mudtext>
to try and tell it it's HTML.

So, help? :P

- Serja
Archwiz
Beyond the Shell MUSH

[Pueblo-Worlds] Updates? News?

[Jakk S. <the...@ho...>]

Have there been any updates to Pueblo? Any news of any kind? I understand this is a labour of love. I'm just curious.

Re: [Pueblo-Worlds] ACCURACY EFFORT YOURS

[Gavin L. <ue...@us...>]

At 14:16 5/12/2006, Thoughts wrote:
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Sorry for that (albeit somewhat pointless) bit of spam.  I've 
flipped the list settings so that posts from non-members now 
require moderation.  Hopefully that will stop the spambots in 
future.  (I know they've been trying to post on the announce list 
for ages, but only I'm allowed to post there.)  :)

[Pueblo-Worlds] ACCURACY EFFORT YOURS

[Thoughts <kpb...@or...>]

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[Pueblo-Worlds] Talkers and being new

[Phoenix <pho...@ya...>]

I' new to pueblo. I am a programmer. I don't run a
MUD. I run a talker. I'm just glad pueblo can work for
either. 

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[Pueblo-Worlds] Re: forms suggestion

[Gavin L. <ue...@us...>]

I was in the middle of replying to this message when it occurred 
to me that the answer may be of use to other world developers.  So 
I've copied it to the world developers list.

At 14:31 24/06/2003 -0700, someone wrote:
 >
 >The problem with the forms that get sent to the mush is that 
user
 >coded objects cant receive them! If an object could display a 
form
 >(with html and stuff) and then receive data back from the user 
then
 >everyone would be using it!
 >
 >Here's my suggestion, have a new type of form that when 
submitted
 >it sends a command with the form data (non url encoded to make 
it
 >easier for coders).

That sort of thing would make life easier for non-admin coders, 
yes.  The trouble is, it's not secure enough.  Allowing any object 
to decide arbitrary commands to send to the world as yourself is 
not a good plan.  Just imagine someone coding an object that will 
log you out when you click the button, or worse, suicide your 
character.  It also opens up security holes; an object might, when 
viewed by an admin character, secretly grant admin permissions to 
someone else or shut down the entire world!  No, I don't believe 
this is a good box to open.

The current mechanism is designed to work providing there is 
suitable infrastructure in place on the world.  For example, the 
admins could write a master PUEBLOFORM command handler which 
receives all form submissions, unpacks the information into a list 
or some other useful data format, and then pass the information on 
to the object that displayed the form (as specified in a 
particular hidden field or similar).  With such a handler in place 
it becomes trivial for non-admin coders to create usable forms.

If it is really necessary to use a different command, you can use 
the MD5 key provided by the PUEBLOCLIENT command to alter the 
command sent by forms submission.  The theory again is that the 
PUEBLOCLIENT command is received prior to login and stored in some 
secure place ensuring that only admins can get at it.  But it is 
possible to either publicise the key or to provide a utility that 
displays a coder-defined form with a coder-defined command to 
postback the data.  Neither approach is recommended, however, as 
they are both highly vulnerable to security risks (as outlined 
above).  But hey, it's your call.

Re: [Pueblo-Worlds] Pueblo Enhancing a Mud

[Gavin L. <ue...@us...>]

At 22:58 3/02/2003 -0500, Leo Grivalti wrote:

>I know there is probally How Tos floating around but Im not sure 
>about doing this. I was wondering if anyone could help me to 
>enhance my mud I'm runnig modified Rom 2.4b6.

There's a very general outline in the Pueblo help files (I imagine 
the LP-Mud directions would be the closest to Rom).  For more 
specific information you'll probably have to find an enhanced Rom 
or Diku mud and ask their admins for help.  Have a look in the 
Pueblo/UE World List; you can browse by server type and look for 
the "Pueblo Enhanced" icon.

[Pueblo-Worlds] Pueblo Enhancing a Mud

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Re: [Pueblo-Worlds] Criterionmud

[Gavin L. <ue...@us...>]

At 16:02 12/01/2003 -0500, Stephane Boisjoli wrote:

>Just a quick note to say that Criterionmud still supports Pueblo, 
>and it seems to work with the new version that his been put out.
>
>I've added new features since the last time I tried Pueblo on it 
>though, so it may be rusty.
>
>You can try it at:
>http://criterionmud.net
>telnet criterionmud.net 3999

Don't forget to submit it for inclusion on the Pueblo/UE World 
List.

Just go to http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/worldlist.php and click 
on "Suggest a new world".

[Pueblo-Worlds] Criterionmud

[Stephane B. <rat...@ro...>]

Just a quick note to say that Criterionmud still supports Pueblo, and it 
seems to work with the new version that his been put out.

I've added new features since the last time I tried Pueblo on it though, 
so it may be rusty.

You can try it at:
http://criterionmud.net
telnet criterionmud.net 3999