From: David O. <do...@eb...> - 2011-10-11 12:48:41
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Dear all, Sorry about the really long mail. I've divided the several things we had to do in two blocks: changes that I considered for the next release ("Changes and additions" section) and pending changes related to things not clarified ("Pending things"). Attached to this mail, there's a release candidate (new version number will be 3.12.0). Please check the changes and additions. I expect everything is OK. If you don't agree with the changes, please, email the list and we'll change whatever is needed. As soon everything is agreed, I'll publish the new version. ===================================================== Changes and additions ===================================================== - Two new terms proposed by Steve Robles (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): MS:1001878 ("Offset Voltage") and MS:1001879 ("In-source collision-induced dissociation"). Eric Deutsch commented a possible overlapping between the first one (MS:1001878-> "Offset Voltage") and the next two terms MS:1000876 ("cone voltage") and MS:1000877 ("tube lens"). No mails following this point. I should add that the last term's name ("tube lens"), maybe is better described as "tube lens voltage". (change not included in the temporal obo file). The two new terms: [Term] id: MS:1001878 name: Offset Voltage def: "The potential difference between two adjacent interface voltages affecting in-source collision induced dissociation." [PSI:MS] is_a: MS:1000482 ! source attribute relationship: has_units UO:0000218 ! volt [Term] id: MS:1001879 name: In-source collision-induced dissociation def: "The dissociation of an ion as a result of collisional excitation during ion transfer from an atmospheric pressure ion source and the mass spectrometer vacuum." [PSI:MS] is_a: MS:1000044 ! dissociation method - Change in definition for MS:1000932 ("...MDS SCIEX TripleTOF 5500..." changed by "...MDS SCIEX TripleTOF 5600...") (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms") - A definition for the term MS:1000672 (name: Cliquid) (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"). Is an Applied Biosystems software. Browsing I found that maybe the definition could be something like this: def: "AB SCIEX or Applied Biosystems software for data analysis and quantitation." [PSI:MS] I found the most complete descripcion of the software in this link: http://www.mass-spec-capital.com/product/cliquid-software-applied-biosystems-abi-unit-life-technologies-2001-18662.html - New term added for the mz5 format (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms")(last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): [Term] id: MS:1001880 name: mz5 file def: "mz5 file format, modeled after mzML, developed by the Steen Lab." [PSI:MS] is_a: MS:1000560 ! mass spectrometer file format - Space removed in 1000139 name "4000 Q TRAP" à “4000 QTRAP”. (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms") Does this cause a problem with obsoleted term of same name (id: MS:1000870)? No problems reported. - Adding 3 transition validation attributes (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): [Term] id: MS:1001881 name: transition validation attribute def: "Attributes of the quality of a transition that affect its selection as appropriate." [PSI:MS] relationship: part_of MS:1000908 ! transition [Term] id: MS:1001882 name: coefficient of variation def: "Variation of a set of signal measurements calculated as the standard deviation relative to the mean." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1001881 ! transition validation attribute [Term] id: MS:1001883 name: signal-to-noise ratio def: "Unitless number providing the ratio of the total measured intensity of a signal relative to the estimated noise level for that signal." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1001881 ! transition validation attribute - Adding 1 command-line parameter term as suggested by Magnus (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): [Term] id: MS:1001884 name: command-line parameters def: "Parameters string passed to a command-line interface software application." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:string "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000630 ! data processing parameter - Two terms (MS:1001843 and id: MS:1001844 -peak intensity and area- now sons of MS:1000042 ! peak intensity) proposed by Eric Deutsch about “peak area” and “peak height” (last email Oct 10th "PSI-MS CV: peak intensity area terms"). Related to this, the term MS:1001845 ("peak area" too) has been obsoleted because duplicated toMS:1001844. ===================================================== Pending things ===================================================== Pending things 1 -> Some comments in Eric Deutsch mail (Oct 10th) not yet implemented in the controlled vocabulary and to be discussed : 2) Is there really a difference between “peak area” and “XIC area”. I suspect not. If there really is an intended subtle difference (e.g. “peak area” takes into account background removal, which “XIC area” is irrespective of background) then we should define this. 3) It seems to me that all these term names are incomplete and potentially misleading. For example, the “peak area” term is not really for the concept of “peak area”; it is the concept of “quantifying signal by measuring peak area”. One can infer this by knowing the parent, but if our goal is to create term names that can stand on their own, I think these should be clarified. It will be tempting to users to use the “peak area” term to provide a measurement of a peak area. 4) For 1859, normalized to what? 5) For 1130, can peptides have an area? Mass specs don’t see peptides, they see peptide ions. And they see them as peaks. So it would see that “peptide raw area” is a badly named term that probably when decomposed means the same as “peak area”. Or, if I’m wrong, can we improve the definition? Pending things 2 -> Some comments by David Ovelleiro (mail Sept 27th, "Possible need of changing some things under "identification result details" (MS:1001405)") not yet implemented in the controlled vocabulary: - comment 1: there are two terms, MS:1001362 and MS:1001114, which in addition to be children to their respective parents (MS:1001116 and MS:1001105 resp), are also direct children to MS:1001405. The problem I see here is that the two parents, are also direct descendants of MS:1001405. Is this not redundant and unnecessary? My proposal is to remove the is_a (direct) relationship to MS:1001405. Please, check the picture "screen1.jpg" for a more graphical description. - comment 2: the term "Mascot query number" (MS:1001528) is direct child to "spectrum identification result details" (MS:1001405). Don't you think that this term would be better placed under "search engine specific score" (MS:1001153) (child to the previous MS:1001528) - comment 3: the terms related to the "False Discovery Rate" are, in my opinion, some confusing at this point. I attach a screen-shot called screen2.jpg to illustrate what I'm saying. At least two of the terms ("pep:global FDR" and "prot:global FDR") seem miss located to me. Maybe they should work like "local FDR", with a unique term called "global FDR" child to both "peptide" and "proteine" / "identification confidence metric" (MS:1001198 and MS:1001092). Or maybe two terms could be used (the way is now), but children to MS:1001198 and MS:1001092 and changing the prefix "pep:" and "prot:" by the proper "peptide" and "protein". Two replies (Eric Deutsch and David Creasy, mails Sept 27th) seem to give support to the first point. Second point rejected. Third point extended in Eric Deutsch mail. Pending things 3 -> the "modification specificity N-term/C-term" related terms were NOT modified following the proposal in Martin Eisenacher mail (Sept 1st). In mail sent by David Ovelleiro (Sept 16th) changes related to modifications specificity were put to a stop until more consensus was reached. This should be clarified (pretty sure a final soultion for this is needed). ================================================================================= Thanks for your attention. -- David Ovelleiro Bioinformatician PRIDE Group Proteomics Services Team, PANDA Group EMBL European Bioinformatics Institute Wellcome Trust Genome Campus Hinxton, Cambridge, UK CB10 1SD |
From: Eric D. <Eri...@sy...> - 2011-10-11 16:26:25
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Hi David, many thanks for this. Steffen, Matt, and I went through this on the call today. And our consensus suggestions are below in red.. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ovelleiro [mailto:do...@eb...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:48 AM > To: 'psi...@li...'; Mass spectrometry standard > development; psi...@li...; > Ste...@le... > Subject: [Psidev-ms-vocab] Controlled vocabulary release candidate v. > 3.12.0 > > Dear all, > > Sorry about the really long mail. > I've divided the several things we had to do in two blocks: changes > that > I considered for the next release ("Changes and additions" section) and > pending changes related to things not clarified ("Pending things"). > Attached to this mail, there's a release candidate (new version number > will be 3.12.0). Please check the changes and additions. I expect > everything is OK. If you don't agree with the changes, please, email > the > list and we'll change whatever is needed. As soon everything is agreed, > I'll publish the new version. > > ===================================================== > Changes and additions > ===================================================== > > - Two new terms proposed by Steve Robles (last mail Oct 10th, "Request > for new terms"): MS:1001878 ("Offset Voltage") and MS:1001879 > ("In-source collision-induced dissociation"). > Eric Deutsch commented a possible overlapping between the first one > (MS:1001878-> "Offset Voltage") and the next two terms MS:1000876 > ("cone > voltage") and MS:1000877 ("tube lens"). > No mails following this point. > I should add that the last term's name ("tube lens"), maybe is better > described as "tube lens voltage". (change not included in the temporal I agree, let’s change to “tube lens voltage”. Any dissent to that change? > obo file). > The two new terms: > > [Term] > id: MS:1001878 > name: Offset Voltage Lower case except for proper names is the convention. Please change to “offset voltage”. > def: "The potential difference between two adjacent interface voltages > affecting in-source collision induced dissociation." [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000482 ! source attribute > relationship: has_units UO:0000218 ! volt > > [Term] > id: MS:1001879 > name: In-source collision-induced dissociation As above. “in-source collision-induced dissociation” > def: "The dissociation of an ion as a result of collisional excitation > during ion transfer from an atmospheric pressure ion source and the > mass > spectrometer vacuum." [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000044 ! dissociation method > > - Change in definition for MS:1000932 ("...MDS SCIEX TripleTOF 5500..." > changed by "...MDS SCIEX TripleTOF 5600...") (last mail Oct 10th, > "Request for new terms") Let’s also go with the modern name of the company: "AB SCIEX TripleTOF 5600, a quadrupole - quadrupole - time-of-flight mass spectrometer." > - A definition for the term MS:1000672 (name: Cliquid) (last mail Oct > 10th, "Request for new terms"). Is an Applied Biosystems software. > Browsing I found that maybe the definition could be something like > this: > def: "AB SCIEX or Applied Biosystems software for data analysis and > quantitation." [PSI:MS] Let’s go with modern name: "AB SCIEX Cliquid software for data analysis and quantitation." > I found the most complete descripcion of the software in this link: > http://www.mass-spec-capital.com/product/cliquid-software-applied- > biosystems-abi-unit-life-technologies-2001-18662.html > > > - New term added for the mz5 format (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for > new terms")(last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): > [Term] > id: MS:1001880 > name: mz5 file > def: "mz5 file format, modeled after mzML, developed by the Steen Lab." > [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000560 ! mass spectrometer file format Def: "mz5 file format, modeled after mzML." [ http://software.steenlab.org/mz5/] > - Space removed in 1000139 name "4000 Q TRAP" à “4000 QTRAP”. (last > mail > Oct 10th, "Request for new terms") > Does this cause a problem with obsoleted term of same name (id: > MS:1000870)? No problems reported. > > - Adding 3 transition validation attributes (last mail Oct 10th, > "Request for new terms"): > [Term] > id: MS:1001881 > name: transition validation attribute > def: "Attributes of the quality of a transition that affect its > selection as appropriate." [PSI:MS] > relationship: part_of MS:1000908 ! transition > > [Term] > id: MS:1001882 > name: coefficient of variation > def: "Variation of a set of signal measurements calculated as the > standard deviation relative to the mean." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1001881 ! transition validation attribute > > [Term] > id: MS:1001883 > name: signal-to-noise ratio > def: "Unitless number providing the ratio of the total measured > intensity of a signal relative to the estimated noise level for that > signal." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1001881 ! transition validation attribute Good. > > - Adding 1 command-line parameter term as suggested by Magnus (last > mail > Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): > > [Term] > id: MS:1001884 > name: command-line parameters > def: "Parameters string passed to a command-line interface software > application." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:string "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1000630 ! data processing parameter def: "Parameters string passed to a command-line interface software application, omitting the executable name." [PSI:MS] > > - Two terms (MS:1001843 and id: MS:1001844 -peak intensity and area- > now > sons of MS:1000042 ! peak intensity) proposed by Eric Deutsch about > “peak area” and “peak height” (last email Oct 10th "PSI-MS CV: peak > intensity area terms"). We don’t think this is a very good state for things. Here’s a revised proposal: [Term] id: MS:1000042 name: peak intensity def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the height or area of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000455 ! ion selection attribute relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit relationship: part_of MS:1000231 ! peak (no change) [Term] id: MS:1001843 name: peak intensity def: "Maximum intensity of MS1 peak (e.g. SILAC, 15N)." [PSI:PI] is_a: MS:1001805 ! quantification datatype Change to: name: MS1 peak height quantification def: "Quantification value determined via MS1 peak maximum intensity." [PSI:PI] [Term] id: MS:1001844 name: peak area def: "Area of MS1 peak (e.g. SILAC, 15N)." [PSI:PI] is_a: MS:1001805 ! quantification datatype Change to: name: MS1 peak area quantification def: "Quantification value determined via MS1 peak area." [PSI:PI] Add: [Term] id: MS:100???? name: peak height def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the height of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000042 ! peak intensity relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit [Term] id: MS:100???? name: peak area def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the area of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000042 ! peak intensity relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit > Related to this, the term MS:1001845 ("peak area" too) has been > obsoleted because duplicated toMS:1001844. Good. [stopped here.] > > ===================================================== > Pending things > ===================================================== > > Pending things 1 -> Some comments in Eric Deutsch mail (Oct 10th) not > yet implemented in the controlled vocabulary and to be discussed : > 2) Is there really a difference between “peak area” and “XIC area”. I > suspect not. If there really is an intended subtle difference (e.g. > “peak area” takes into account background removal, which “XIC area” is > irrespective of background) then we should define this. > 3) It seems to me that all these term names are incomplete and > potentially misleading. For example, the “peak area” term is not really > for the concept of “peak area”; it is the concept of “quantifying > signal > by measuring peak area”. One can infer this by knowing the parent, but > if our goal is to create term names that can stand on their own, I > think > these should be clarified. It will be tempting to users to use the > “peak > area” term to provide a measurement of a peak area. > 4) For 1859, normalized to what? > 5) For 1130, can peptides have an area? Mass specs don’t see peptides, > they see peptide ions. And they see them as peaks. So it would see that > “peptide raw area” is a badly named term that probably when decomposed > means the same as “peak area”. Or, if I’m wrong, can we improve the > definition? > > Pending things 2 -> Some comments by David Ovelleiro (mail Sept 27th, > "Possible need of changing some things under "identification result > details" (MS:1001405)") not yet implemented in the controlled > vocabulary: > - comment 1: there are two terms, MS:1001362 and MS:1001114, which in > addition to be children to their respective parents (MS:1001116 and > MS:1001105 resp), are also direct children to MS:1001405. The problem I > see here is that the two parents, are also direct descendants of > MS:1001405. Is this not redundant and unnecessary? My proposal is to > remove the is_a (direct) relationship to MS:1001405. > Please, check the picture "screen1.jpg" for a more graphical > description. > - comment 2: the term "Mascot query number" (MS:1001528) is direct > child > to "spectrum identification result details" (MS:1001405). Don't you > think that this term would be better placed under "search engine > specific score" (MS:1001153) (child to the previous MS:1001528) > - comment 3: the terms related to the "False Discovery Rate" are, in my > opinion, some confusing at this point. I attach a screen-shot called > screen2.jpg to illustrate what I'm saying. At least two of the terms > ("pep:global FDR" and "prot:global FDR") seem miss located to me. Maybe > they should work like "local FDR", with a unique term called "global > FDR" child to both "peptide" and "proteine" / "identification > confidence > metric" (MS:1001198 and MS:1001092). Or maybe two terms could be used > (the way is now), but children to MS:1001198 and MS:1001092 and > changing > the prefix "pep:" and "prot:" by the proper "peptide" and "protein". > > Two replies (Eric Deutsch and David Creasy, mails Sept 27th) seem to > give support to the first point. Second point rejected. Third point > extended in Eric Deutsch mail. > > Pending things 3 -> the "modification specificity N-term/C-term" > related > terms were NOT modified following the proposal in Martin Eisenacher > mail > (Sept 1st). In mail sent by David Ovelleiro (Sept 16th) changes related > to modifications specificity were put to a stop until more consensus > was > reached. This should be clarified (pretty sure a final soultion for > this > is needed). > > > ======================================================================= > ========== > > > Thanks for your attention. > > -- > David Ovelleiro > Bioinformatician > PRIDE Group > Proteomics Services Team, PANDA Group > EMBL European Bioinformatics Institute > Wellcome Trust Genome Campus > Hinxton, Cambridge, UK > CB10 1SD |
From: Eric D. <Eri...@sy...> - 2011-10-24 16:46:45
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Hi everyone, let’s have a separate discussion on the peak intensity issue. Here’s what we had previously discussed: MS:1000442 spectrum + MS:1000231 peak + MS:1000042 peak intensity (has units and value) defined for mass spectrum + MS:100???? peak height (has units and value) + MS:100???? peak area (has units and value) MS:1001843 MS1 peak height quantification (no units or value) (concept of performing quant via this method) MS:1001844 MS1 peak area quantification (no units or value) (concept of performing quant via this method) Maybe these terms need units but no value?? This is for use in mzQuantML, I believe. --- Pierrie-Alain has pointed out that we’re trying to use peak intensity for chromatograms (and mass spectra) but the definitions are for m/z peaks. So, what shall we do? Should we have a whole second hierarchy? MS:1000625 chromatogram + MS:1000??? chromatogram peak + MS:100??? chromatogram peak intensity (has units, etc.) + MS:100???? chromatogram peak height (has units, etc.) + MS:100???? chromatogram peak area Let’s discuss this and related issues at the call tomorrow. Thanks, Eric *From:* pierre-alain binz [mailto:pie...@is...] *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:39 AM *To:* psi...@li... *Subject:* Re: [Psidev-ms-vocab] Controlled vocabulary release candidate v. 3.12.0 Hi all, In the CV we are always using "peak" as refered to a mass spectrum signal. We also have terms for chromatograms such as absorption, emission, SRM, SIM, XIC, BPC chromatograms. Those have also signals we can use to perform detection and quantification. These signals have also intensities. How do we describe them? We cannot use the peak intensity, peak area, peak height for them as they are now defined for mass spec peaks. That's a problem. We should either make these (peak intensity, area, height, etc) more generic such as "signal intensity, ..." and define them as such, valid both for chromatographic and (mass) spectral signals, or we should add new terms for "chromatographic peaks" and all derived child terms and explicitly say that peak has a definition "exclusively valid for mass spectra". What do you think? Pierre-Alain On 11.10.2011 18:26, Eric Deutsch wrote: Hi David, many thanks for this. Steffen, Matt, and I went through this on the call today. And our consensus suggestions are below in red.. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ovelleiro [mailto:do...@eb...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:48 AM > To: 'psi...@li...'; Mass spectrometry standard > development; psi...@li...; > Ste...@le... > Subject: [Psidev-ms-vocab] Controlled vocabulary release candidate v. > 3.12.0 > > Dear all, > > Sorry about the really long mail. > I've divided the several things we had to do in two blocks: changes > that > I considered for the next release ("Changes and additions" section) and > pending changes related to things not clarified ("Pending things"). > Attached to this mail, there's a release candidate (new version number > will be 3.12.0). Please check the changes and additions. I expect > everything is OK. If you don't agree with the changes, please, email > the > list and we'll change whatever is needed. As soon everything is agreed, > I'll publish the new version. > > ===================================================== > Changes and additions > ===================================================== > > - Two new terms proposed by Steve Robles (last mail Oct 10th, "Request > for new terms"): MS:1001878 ("Offset Voltage") and MS:1001879 > ("In-source collision-induced dissociation"). > Eric Deutsch commented a possible overlapping between the first one > (MS:1001878-> "Offset Voltage") and the next two terms MS:1000876 > ("cone > voltage") and MS:1000877 ("tube lens"). > No mails following this point. > I should add that the last term's name ("tube lens"), maybe is better > described as "tube lens voltage". (change not included in the temporal I agree, let’s change to “tube lens voltage”. Any dissent to that change? > obo file). > The two new terms: > > [Term] > id: MS:1001878 > name: Offset Voltage Lower case except for proper names is the convention. Please change to “offset voltage”. > def: "The potential difference between two adjacent interface voltages > affecting in-source collision induced dissociation." [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000482 ! source attribute > relationship: has_units UO:0000218 ! volt > > [Term] > id: MS:1001879 > name: In-source collision-induced dissociation As above. “in-source collision-induced dissociation” > def: "The dissociation of an ion as a result of collisional excitation > during ion transfer from an atmospheric pressure ion source and the > mass > spectrometer vacuum." [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000044 ! dissociation method > > - Change in definition for MS:1000932 ("...MDS SCIEX TripleTOF 5500..." > changed by "...MDS SCIEX TripleTOF 5600...") (last mail Oct 10th, > "Request for new terms") Let’s also go with the modern name of the company: "AB SCIEX TripleTOF 5600, a quadrupole - quadrupole - time-of-flight mass spectrometer." > - A definition for the term MS:1000672 (name: Cliquid) (last mail Oct > 10th, "Request for new terms"). Is an Applied Biosystems software. > Browsing I found that maybe the definition could be something like > this: > def: "AB SCIEX or Applied Biosystems software for data analysis and > quantitation." [PSI:MS] Let’s go with modern name: "AB SCIEX Cliquid software for data analysis and quantitation." > I found the most complete descripcion of the software in this link: > http://www.mass-spec-capital.com/product/cliquid-software-applied- > biosystems-abi-unit-life-technologies-2001-18662.html > > > - New term added for the mz5 format (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for > new terms")(last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): > [Term] > id: MS:1001880 > name: mz5 file > def: "mz5 file format, modeled after mzML, developed by the Steen Lab." > [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000560 ! mass spectrometer file format Def: "mz5 file format, modeled after mzML." [ http://software.steenlab.org/mz5/] > - Space removed in 1000139 name "4000 Q TRAP" à “4000 QTRAP”. (last > mail > Oct 10th, "Request for new terms") > Does this cause a problem with obsoleted term of same name (id: > MS:1000870)? No problems reported. > > - Adding 3 transition validation attributes (last mail Oct 10th, > "Request for new terms"): > [Term] > id: MS:1001881 > name: transition validation attribute > def: "Attributes of the quality of a transition that affect its > selection as appropriate." [PSI:MS] > relationship: part_of MS:1000908 ! transition > > [Term] > id: MS:1001882 > name: coefficient of variation > def: "Variation of a set of signal measurements calculated as the > standard deviation relative to the mean." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1001881 ! transition validation attribute > > [Term] > id: MS:1001883 > name: signal-to-noise ratio > def: "Unitless number providing the ratio of the total measured > intensity of a signal relative to the estimated noise level for that > signal." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1001881 ! transition validation attribute Good. > > - Adding 1 command-line parameter term as suggested by Magnus (last > mail > Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): > > [Term] > id: MS:1001884 > name: command-line parameters > def: "Parameters string passed to a command-line interface software > application." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:string "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1000630 ! data processing parameter def: "Parameters string passed to a command-line interface software application, omitting the executable name." [PSI:MS] > > - Two terms (MS:1001843 and id: MS:1001844 -peak intensity and area- > now > sons of MS:1000042 ! peak intensity) proposed by Eric Deutsch about > “peak area” and “peak height” (last email Oct 10th "PSI-MS CV: peak > intensity area terms"). We don’t think this is a very good state for things. Here’s a revised proposal: [Term] id: MS:1000042 name: peak intensity def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the height or area of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000455 ! ion selection attribute relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit relationship: part_of MS:1000231 ! peak (no change) [Term] id: MS:1001843 name: peak intensity def: "Maximum intensity of MS1 peak (e.g. SILAC, 15N)." [PSI:PI] is_a: MS:1001805 ! quantification datatype Change to: name: MS1 peak height quantification def: "Quantification value determined via MS1 peak maximum intensity." [PSI:PI] [Term] id: MS:1001844 name: peak area def: "Area of MS1 peak (e.g. SILAC, 15N)." [PSI:PI] is_a: MS:1001805 ! quantification datatype Change to: name: MS1 peak area quantification def: "Quantification value determined via MS1 peak area." [PSI:PI] Add: [Term] id: MS:100???? name: peak height def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the height of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000042 ! peak intensity relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit [Term] id: MS:100???? name: peak area def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the area of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000042 ! peak intensity relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit > Related to this, the term MS:1001845 ("peak area" too) has been > obsoleted because duplicated toMS:1001844. Good. [stopped here.] > > ===================================================== > Pending things > ===================================================== > > Pending things 1 -> Some comments in Eric Deutsch mail (Oct 10th) not > yet implemented in the controlled vocabulary and to be discussed : > 2) Is there really a difference between “peak area” and “XIC area”. I > suspect not. If there really is an intended subtle difference (e.g. > “peak area” takes into account background removal, which “XIC area” is > irrespective of background) then we should define this. > 3) It seems to me that all these term names are incomplete and > potentially misleading. For example, the “peak area” term is not really > for the concept of “peak area”; it is the concept of “quantifying > signal > by measuring peak area”. One can infer this by knowing the parent, but > if our goal is to create term names that can stand on their own, I > think > these should be clarified. It will be tempting to users to use the > “peak > area” term to provide a measurement of a peak area. > 4) For 1859, normalized to what? > 5) For 1130, can peptides have an area? Mass specs don’t see peptides, > they see peptide ions. And they see them as peaks. So it would see that > “peptide raw area” is a badly named term that probably when decomposed > means the same as “peak area”. Or, if I’m wrong, can we improve the > definition? > > Pending things 2 -> Some comments by David Ovelleiro (mail Sept 27th, > "Possible need of changing some things under "identification result > details" (MS:1001405)") not yet implemented in the controlled > vocabulary: > - comment 1: there are two terms, MS:1001362 and MS:1001114, which in > addition to be children to their respective parents (MS:1001116 and > MS:1001105 resp), are also direct children to MS:1001405. The problem I > see here is that the two parents, are also direct descendants of > MS:1001405. Is this not redundant and unnecessary? My proposal is to > remove the is_a (direct) relationship to MS:1001405. > Please, check the picture "screen1.jpg" for a more graphical > description. > - comment 2: the term "Mascot query number" (MS:1001528) is direct > child > to "spectrum identification result details" (MS:1001405). Don't you > think that this term would be better placed under "search engine > specific score" (MS:1001153) (child to the previous MS:1001528) > - comment 3: the terms related to the "False Discovery Rate" are, in my > opinion, some confusing at this point. I attach a screen-shot called > screen2.jpg to illustrate what I'm saying. At least two of the terms > ("pep:global FDR" and "prot:global FDR") seem miss located to me. Maybe > they should work like "local FDR", with a unique term called "global > FDR" child to both "peptide" and "proteine" / "identification > confidence > metric" (MS:1001198 and MS:1001092). Or maybe two terms could be used > (the way is now), but children to MS:1001198 and MS:1001092 and > changing > the prefix "pep:" and "prot:" by the proper "peptide" and "protein". > > Two replies (Eric Deutsch and David Creasy, mails Sept 27th) seem to > give support to the first point. Second point rejected. Third point > extended in Eric Deutsch mail. > > Pending things 3 -> the "modification specificity N-term/C-term" > related > terms were NOT modified following the proposal in Martin Eisenacher > mail > (Sept 1st). In mail sent by David Ovelleiro (Sept 16th) changes related > to modifications specificity were put to a stop until more consensus > was > reached. This should be clarified (pretty sure a final soultion for > this > is needed). > > > ======================================================================= > ========== > > > Thanks for your attention. > > -- > David Ovelleiro > Bioinformatician > PRIDE Group > Proteomics Services Team, PANDA Group > EMBL European Bioinformatics Institute > Wellcome Trust Genome Campus > Hinxton, Cambridge, UK > CB10 1SD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-oct _______________________________________________ Psidev-ms-vocab mailing list Psi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/psidev-ms-vocab |
From: Jones, A. <And...@li...> - 2011-10-25 15:04:50
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Hi all, The hierarchy below implies that height and area are sub-properties of intensity – is this correct? Just to add to the complexity, I think we also need a (possibly) separate term(s) for a “feature” intensity – in quantification a feature is usually defined in 2D space (RT vs MZ) i.e. software can sum together peaks from different scans. Some software also has an additional measure called feature abundance e.g. http://nonlineardynamics.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/how-does-progenesis-lc-ms-quantify-protein-abundance/ but it’s difficult to figure out how this is calculated, hence difficult to know how measures from quant software should map onto general terms in the CV. Cheers Andy From: Eric Deutsch [mailto:Eri...@sy...] Sent: 24 October 2011 17:47 To: psi...@li...; Mass spectrometry standard development; psi...@li... Cc: Eric Deutsch Subject: [Psidev-ms-vocab] peak intensity discussion Hi everyone, let’s have a separate discussion on the peak intensity issue. Here’s what we had previously discussed: MS:1000442 spectrum + MS:1000231 peak + MS:1000042 peak intensity (has units and value) defined for mass spectrum + MS:100???? peak height (has units and value) + MS:100???? peak area (has units and value) MS:1001843 MS1 peak height quantification (no units or value) (concept of performing quant via this method) MS:1001844 MS1 peak area quantification (no units or value) (concept of performing quant via this method) Maybe these terms need units but no value?? This is for use in mzQuantML, I believe. --- Pierrie-Alain has pointed out that we’re trying to use peak intensity for chromatograms (and mass spectra) but the definitions are for m/z peaks. So, what shall we do? Should we have a whole second hierarchy? MS:1000625 chromatogram + MS:1000??? chromatogram peak + MS:100??? chromatogram peak intensity (has units, etc.) + MS:100???? chromatogram peak height (has units, etc.) + MS:100???? chromatogram peak area Let’s discuss this and related issues at the call tomorrow. Thanks, Eric From: pierre-alain binz [mailto:pie...@is...<mailto:pie...@is...>] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:39 AM To: psi...@li...<mailto:psi...@li...> Subject: Re: [Psidev-ms-vocab] Controlled vocabulary release candidate v. 3.12.0 Hi all, In the CV we are always using "peak" as refered to a mass spectrum signal. We also have terms for chromatograms such as absorption, emission, SRM, SIM, XIC, BPC chromatograms. Those have also signals we can use to perform detection and quantification. These signals have also intensities. How do we describe them? We cannot use the peak intensity, peak area, peak height for them as they are now defined for mass spec peaks. That's a problem. We should either make these (peak intensity, area, height, etc) more generic such as "signal intensity, ..." and define them as such, valid both for chromatographic and (mass) spectral signals, or we should add new terms for "chromatographic peaks" and all derived child terms and explicitly say that peak has a definition "exclusively valid for mass spectra". What do you think? Pierre-Alain On 11.10.2011 18:26, Eric Deutsch wrote: Hi David, many thanks for this. Steffen, Matt, and I went through this on the call today. And our consensus suggestions are below in red.. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ovelleiro [mailto:do...@eb...<mailto:do...@eb...>] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:48 AM > To: 'psi...@li...<mailto:psi...@li...>'; Mass spectrometry standard > development; psi...@li...<mailto:psi...@li...>; > Ste...@le...<mailto:Ste...@le...> > Subject: [Psidev-ms-vocab] Controlled vocabulary release candidate v. > 3.12.0 > > Dear all, > > Sorry about the really long mail. > I've divided the several things we had to do in two blocks: changes > that > I considered for the next release ("Changes and additions" section) and > pending changes related to things not clarified ("Pending things"). > Attached to this mail, there's a release candidate (new version number > will be 3.12.0). Please check the changes and additions. I expect > everything is OK. If you don't agree with the changes, please, email > the > list and we'll change whatever is needed. As soon everything is agreed, > I'll publish the new version. > > ===================================================== > Changes and additions > ===================================================== > > - Two new terms proposed by Steve Robles (last mail Oct 10th, "Request > for new terms"): MS:1001878 ("Offset Voltage") and MS:1001879 > ("In-source collision-induced dissociation"). > Eric Deutsch commented a possible overlapping between the first one > (MS:1001878-> "Offset Voltage") and the next two terms MS:1000876 > ("cone > voltage") and MS:1000877 ("tube lens"). > No mails following this point. > I should add that the last term's name ("tube lens"), maybe is better > described as "tube lens voltage". (change not included in the temporal I agree, let’s change to “tube lens voltage”. Any dissent to that change? > obo file). > The two new terms: > > [Term] > id: MS:1001878 > name: Offset Voltage Lower case except for proper names is the convention. Please change to “offset voltage”. > def: "The potential difference between two adjacent interface voltages > affecting in-source collision induced dissociation." [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000482 ! source attribute > relationship: has_units UO:0000218 ! volt > > [Term] > id: MS:1001879 > name: In-source collision-induced dissociation As above. “in-source collision-induced dissociation” > def: "The dissociation of an ion as a result of collisional excitation > during ion transfer from an atmospheric pressure ion source and the > mass > spectrometer vacuum." [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000044 ! dissociation method > > - Change in definition for MS:1000932 ("...MDS SCIEX TripleTOF 5500..." > changed by "...MDS SCIEX TripleTOF 5600...") (last mail Oct 10th, > "Request for new terms") Let’s also go with the modern name of the company: "AB SCIEX TripleTOF 5600, a quadrupole - quadrupole - time-of-flight mass spectrometer." > - A definition for the term MS:1000672 (name: Cliquid) (last mail Oct > 10th, "Request for new terms"). Is an Applied Biosystems software. > Browsing I found that maybe the definition could be something like > this: > def: "AB SCIEX or Applied Biosystems software for data analysis and > quantitation." [PSI:MS] Let’s go with modern name: "AB SCIEX Cliquid software for data analysis and quantitation." > I found the most complete descripcion of the software in this link: > http://www.mass-spec-capital.com/product/cliquid-software-applied- > biosystems-abi-unit-life-technologies-2001-18662.html > > > - New term added for the mz5 format (last mail Oct 10th, "Request for > new terms")(last mail Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): > [Term] > id: MS:1001880 > name: mz5 file > def: "mz5 file format, modeled after mzML, developed by the Steen Lab." > [PSI:MS] > is_a: MS:1000560 ! mass spectrometer file format Def: "mz5 file format, modeled after mzML." [http://software.steenlab.org/mz5/] > - Space removed in 1000139 name "4000 Q TRAP" à “4000 QTRAP”. (last > mail > Oct 10th, "Request for new terms") > Does this cause a problem with obsoleted term of same name (id: > MS:1000870)? No problems reported. > > - Adding 3 transition validation attributes (last mail Oct 10th, > "Request for new terms"): > [Term] > id: MS:1001881 > name: transition validation attribute > def: "Attributes of the quality of a transition that affect its > selection as appropriate." [PSI:MS] > relationship: part_of MS:1000908 ! transition > > [Term] > id: MS:1001882 > name: coefficient of variation > def: "Variation of a set of signal measurements calculated as the > standard deviation relative to the mean." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1001881 ! transition validation attribute > > [Term] > id: MS:1001883 > name: signal-to-noise ratio > def: "Unitless number providing the ratio of the total measured > intensity of a signal relative to the estimated noise level for that > signal." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1001881 ! transition validation attribute Good. > > - Adding 1 command-line parameter term as suggested by Magnus (last > mail > Oct 10th, "Request for new terms"): > > [Term] > id: MS:1001884 > name: command-line parameters > def: "Parameters string passed to a command-line interface software > application." [PSI:MS] > xref: value-type:xsd\:string "The allowed value-type for this CV term." > is_a: MS:1000630 ! data processing parameter def: "Parameters string passed to a command-line interface software application, omitting the executable name." [PSI:MS] > > - Two terms (MS:1001843 and id: MS:1001844 -peak intensity and area- > now > sons of MS:1000042 ! peak intensity) proposed by Eric Deutsch about > “peak area” and “peak height” (last email Oct 10th "PSI-MS CV: peak > intensity area terms"). We don’t think this is a very good state for things. Here’s a revised proposal: [Term] id: MS:1000042 name: peak intensity def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the height or area of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000455 ! ion selection attribute relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit relationship: part_of MS:1000231 ! peak (no change) [Term] id: MS:1001843 name: peak intensity def: "Maximum intensity of MS1 peak (e.g. SILAC, 15N)." [PSI:PI] is_a: MS:1001805 ! quantification datatype Change to: name: MS1 peak height quantification def: "Quantification value determined via MS1 peak maximum intensity." [PSI:PI] [Term] id: MS:1001844 name: peak area def: "Area of MS1 peak (e.g. SILAC, 15N)." [PSI:PI] is_a: MS:1001805 ! quantification datatype Change to: name: MS1 peak area quantification def: "Quantification value determined via MS1 peak area." [PSI:PI] Add: [Term] id: MS:100???? name: peak height def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the height of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000042 ! peak intensity relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit [Term] id: MS:100???? name: peak area def: "Intensity of ions as measured by the area of a peak in a mass spectrum." [PSI:MS] xref: value-type:xsd\:float "The allowed value-type for this CV term." is_a: MS:1000042 ! peak intensity relationship: has_units MS:1000131 ! number of counts relationship: has_units MS:1000132 ! percent of base peak relationship: has_units MS:1000814 ! counts per second relationship: has_units MS:1000905 ! percent of base peak times 100 relationship: has_units UO:0000269 ! absorbance unit > Related to this, the term MS:1001845 ("peak area" too) has been > obsoleted because duplicated toMS:1001844. Good. [stopped here.] > > ===================================================== > Pending things > ===================================================== > > Pending things 1 -> Some comments in Eric Deutsch mail (Oct 10th) not > yet implemented in the controlled vocabulary and to be discussed : > 2) Is there really a difference between “peak area” and “XIC area”. I > suspect not. If there really is an intended subtle difference (e.g. > “peak area” takes into account background removal, which “XIC area” is > irrespective of background) then we should define this. > 3) It seems to me that all these term names are incomplete and > potentially misleading. For example, the “peak area” term is not really > for the concept of “peak area”; it is the concept of “quantifying > signal > by measuring peak area”. One can infer this by knowing the parent, but > if our goal is to create term names that can stand on their own, I > think > these should be clarified. It will be tempting to users to use the > “peak > area” term to provide a measurement of a peak area. > 4) For 1859, normalized to what? > 5) For 1130, can peptides have an area? Mass specs don’t see peptides, > they see peptide ions. And they see them as peaks. So it would see that > “peptide raw area” is a badly named term that probably when decomposed > means the same as “peak area”. Or, if I’m wrong, can we improve the > definition? > > Pending things 2 -> Some comments by David Ovelleiro (mail Sept 27th, > "Possible need of changing some things under "identification result > details" (MS:1001405)") not yet implemented in the controlled > vocabulary: > - comment 1: there are two terms, MS:1001362 and MS:1001114, which in > addition to be children to their respective parents (MS:1001116 and > MS:1001105 resp), are also direct children to MS:1001405. The problem I > see here is that the two parents, are also direct descendants of > MS:1001405. Is this not redundant and unnecessary? My proposal is to > remove the is_a (direct) relationship to MS:1001405. > Please, check the picture "screen1.jpg" for a more graphical > description. > - comment 2: the term "Mascot query number" (MS:1001528) is direct > child > to "spectrum identification result details" (MS:1001405). Don't you > think that this term would be better placed under "search engine > specific score" (MS:1001153) (child to the previous MS:1001528) > - comment 3: the terms related to the "False Discovery Rate" are, in my > opinion, some confusing at this point. I attach a screen-shot called > screen2.jpg to illustrate what I'm saying. At least two of the terms > ("pep:global FDR" and "prot:global FDR") seem miss located to me. Maybe > they should work like "local FDR", with a unique term called "global > FDR" child to both "peptide" and "proteine" / "identification > confidence > metric" (MS:1001198 and MS:1001092). Or maybe two terms could be used > (the way is now), but children to MS:1001198 and MS:1001092 and > changing > the prefix "pep:" and "prot:" by the proper "peptide" and "protein". > > Two replies (Eric Deutsch and David Creasy, mails Sept 27th) seem to > give support to the first point. Second point rejected. Third point > extended in Eric Deutsch mail. > > Pending things 3 -> the "modification specificity N-term/C-term" > related > terms were NOT modified following the proposal in Martin Eisenacher > mail > (Sept 1st). In mail sent by David Ovelleiro (Sept 16th) changes related > to modifications specificity were put to a stop until more consensus > was > reached. This should be clarified (pretty sure a final soultion for > this > is needed). > > > ======================================================================= > ========== > > > Thanks for your attention. > > -- > David Ovelleiro > Bioinformatician > PRIDE Group > Proteomics Services Team, PANDA Group > EMBL European Bioinformatics Institute > Wellcome Trust Genome Campus > Hinxton, Cambridge, UK > CB10 1SD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-oct _______________________________________________ Psidev-ms-vocab mailing list Psi...@li...<mailto:Psi...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/psidev-ms-vocab |
From: Matthew C. <mat...@gm...> - 2011-10-25 15:31:23
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Height and area are ways of measuring intensity/abundance, thus it makes sense as a parent term. Why not use "peak volume" when the scan time dimension is added to m/z and intensity? The peak height term remains the same (although the value might change). -Matt On 10/25/2011 10:03 AM, Jones, Andy wrote: > Hi all, > > The hierarchy below implies that height and area are sub-properties of intensity – is this correct? > > Just to add to the complexity, I think we also need a (possibly) separate term(s) for a “feature” > intensity – in quantification a feature is usually defined in 2D space (RT vs MZ) i.e. software can > sum together peaks from different scans. Some software also has an additional measure called feature > abundance e.g. > http://nonlineardynamics.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/how-does-progenesis-lc-ms-quantify-protein-abundance/ > but it’s difficult to figure out how this is calculated, hence difficult to know how measures from > quant software should map onto general terms in the CV. > > Cheers > > Andy > > *From:*Eric Deutsch [mailto:Eri...@sy...] > *Sent:* 24 October 2011 17:47 > *To:* psi...@li...; Mass spectrometry standard development; > psi...@li... > *Cc:* Eric Deutsch > *Subject:* [Psidev-ms-vocab] peak intensity discussion > > Hi everyone, let’s have a separate discussion on the peak intensity issue. Here’s what we had > previously discussed: > > MS:1000442 spectrum > > + MS:1000231 peak > > + MS:1000042 peak intensity (has units and value) defined for mass spectrum > > + MS:100???? peak height (has units and value) > > + MS:100???? peak area (has units and value) > > MS:1001843 MS1 peak height quantification (no units or value) (concept of performing quant via this > method) > > MS:1001844 MS1 peak area quantification (no units or value) (concept of performing quant via this > method) > > Maybe these terms need units but no value?? This is for use in mzQuantML, I believe. > > --- > > Pierrie-Alain has pointed out that we’re trying to use peak intensity for chromatograms (and mass > spectra) but the definitions are for m/z peaks. > > So, what shall we do? > > Should we have a whole second hierarchy? > > MS:1000625 chromatogram > > + MS:1000??? chromatogram peak > > + MS:100??? chromatogram peak intensity (has units, etc.) > > + MS:100???? chromatogram peak height (has units, etc.) > > + MS:100???? chromatogram peak area > > Let’s discuss this and related issues at the call tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Eric > > *From:*pierre-alain binz [mailto:pie...@is... <mailto:pie...@is...>] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:39 AM > *To:* psi...@li... <mailto:psi...@li...> > *Subject:* Re: [Psidev-ms-vocab] Controlled vocabulary release candidate v. 3.12.0 > > Hi all, > > > In the CV we are always using "peak" as refered to a mass spectrum signal. We also have terms for > chromatograms such as absorption, emission, SRM, SIM, XIC, BPC chromatograms. Those have also > signals we can use to perform detection and quantification. These signals have also intensities. How > do we describe them? We cannot use the peak intensity, peak area, peak height for them as they are > now defined for mass spec peaks. That's a problem. > > We should either make these (peak intensity, area, height, etc) more generic such as "signal > intensity, ..." and define them as such, valid both for chromatographic and (mass) spectral signals, > or we should add new terms for "chromatographic peaks" and all derived child terms and explicitly > say that peak has a definition "exclusively valid for mass spectra". > What do you think? > > Pierre-Alain |