From: walzer <wa...@in...> - 2017-02-20 14:53:09
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Dear all, as interest in a telco is not putting doodle or me in a difficult spot to pick a date, maybe a little digest of the newest metrics we could discuss, will kindle some more interest (http://doodle.com/poll/bv36kwe3hfmgwm8v). CPTAC labeling QC We haven't touched upon QC for labeling techniques, and the CPTAC study considerations seem like a good start (thanks to Karl Clauser). Summarised, these would cover ideally the completeness of labellings (counting the number of labeled vs. unlabeled termini) Also, considering the S/N of not only all spectra (as we would now with MS2-2) but also of only those with reporter ions seems to be a good idea. MassUP - QC MassUp covers base with a number of metrics that also we use (e.g. the name of the sample, number of spectra, min. Mass, max. Mass, avg. Masses, ...) but also ask for a classas label of the sample - as already mentioned this is highly interesting to bring the experimental design into the loop to do proper QC for a set of several measurements.They also define POPXX as a the number of peaks with Percentage of Presence- so I am not that familiar with MALDI, but it seems to be a a good idea in general to also look at the replication success on a spectrum and peaks level! though I am not sure which kind of peaks they are considering in this MALID setting with MassUp analysis. msPurity Lawson et al. published an interesting metric to assist with spectral library search result assessments in metabolomics. The metric assesses the purity of the precursor producing a tandem spectrum. Having more than just the targeted ion species in your selection for fragmentation messes with the lookup of your spectrum in a library with (assumedly) pure spectra. But I think this is also useful in other context, at least I come across some mixed spectra sometimes, especially when sample abundance or ionisation yield is low and the fill times go up to the max. set. They calculate this metric as a ratio of precursor intensity and sum. intensity of the respective isolation window. As I read it, it is assumed that the highest peak in the isolation window is the targeted precursor peak, and it's intensity for the MS2 is interpolated from the intensity in the neighboring MS1. I think it would also be good to have a classification of analysis metrics and acquisition metrics. I think it came up in Ghent, but our metrics list was not long enough to make such separations. This goes in the same direction as what Robert was saying in his mail, that there might be as well a lot of good/reliable results in bad runs. After all, often times analysis algorithms are robust enough to navigate around bits of bad data. The ID(free) classification goes in that direction, but I think analysis metrics would comprise more. best, Mathias On 07.02.2017 21:05, Mathias Walzer wrote: > Dear all, > > let's discuss new QC metrics and definition refinement of old ones here. We might start here: > > There are some interesting new developments: > There is the Mass-Up framework ( http://bmcbioinformatics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12859-015-0752-4 ) for Maldi TOF QC, see Davids post on Quality control in Mass-Up > > And also new developments from the metabolomics side with msPurity (http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.analchem.6b04358) > > For labelled experiments, Spectrum Mill is using quality control metrics proven on CPTAC breast cancer proteome dataset (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v534/n7605/abs/nature18003.html , see Karl Clausers Re: [Psidev-qc-dev] HUPO PSI Quality Control Working Group post with the SpectrumMill documentation attached) > > Or, which would be much to my delight, revise the collection of more general LC-MS/MS metrics already in use in qcML (https://github.com/mwalzer/qcML-development/blob/feature/QC-CV-Metric_overview/cv/qc-metric-collection.md). > > So to the matter, how do you think do any metrics from the above fit in our CV definition schema? Would some need generalisation for the sake of minimising redundancy/overlap, or on the other side are some not specific enough? > Do you have a great metric that is missing in our discussions? > > best, > Mathias > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Psidev-qc-dev mailing list > Psi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/psidev-qc-dev |