Re: [Psidev-ms-dev] MCP response

[Pierre-Alain B. <pie...@is...>]

Dear all,
as proposed in Geneva in the plenary session I have sent to the draft 
MCP, the MIAPE-MS and MIAPE-MSI all with mapping annotations those 
interested to comment on (8 people have asked). A few comments came back 
to me.
After the last MS-group ccall I have sent a draft of a response letter 
that would be addressed to Ralf Bradshaw..
It is planed that I collect the comments before the next ccall (next 
tuesday). I received one from Sean over the list until now. Then I 
reformulate the letter, distribute it before the next ccall together 
with the revised annotated MCP guiudelines and MIAPE-enriched docs and 
we can state on a final draft that can circulate again, at least again 
to the chairs of PSI, so that it can be sent to RB by the 15th.

What is clear from the modifications on the MIAPE docs is:
- no quality judgement are to be included. The MIAPE docs contain only 
min req to describe an experiment.
- The modifications to the MIAPE docs will generate a new version of the 
MIAPE doc, but this version is not the final release. As we have a 
procedure that comes into place to formalise the acceptance of 
documents, we can only say that it is a draft that has reached the 
reviewing status and will be finalised in its next development step.
- The letter will not be my private letter. It has a PSI dimension for 
which we still can decide who might sign it (are Rolf and Ruedi 
appropriate, at least this is a practical work of the MS group who has 
two chairs, and we have people in charge of the MIAPE-MS and MSI docs, 
which all together adds to 6 names)

Keep cool Chris, this is a work that is planed and made available to all 
interested people. So those who are still interested to actively 
participate with comments, please do...

Cheers to all,
Pierre-Alain

Chris Taylor wrote:

> Hi Pierre-Alain, all.
>
> I'm a little nervous that there doesn't seem to have been much list 
> traffic on the reponse to the MCP guidelines. The deadline is next 
> week (15th)...
>
> Maybe this is all in hand, or even done and already out the door, but 
> I am really worried that our big window of opportunity to get our 
> views in will lapse.
>
> Incidentally the separation of 'what was done' and 'was it any good' 
> was something raised (independently) at a recent proteomics PIs 
> meeting I attended in the UK. Opinions were strongly expressed (shall 
> we say) there that a HUPO-like community effort should determine 
> reporting requirements and that journals should only concern 
> themselves with assessing quality (internally, or maybe as a group).
>
> I think that we should propose a separation to the Paris group where 
> PSI in collaboration with them (re)drafts MIAPE: MSI as originally 
> conceived and that the quality measures are pulled out into a second 
> document that PSI can also support in a limited way for 'journal 
> publication standard' results. I say limited firstly because there are 
> a number of journals and we wouldn't want to be seen to siding with 
> anyone and secondly because quality measures have _never_ been part of 
> our remit; and I don't know about everyone else but I have talked to a 
> _lot_ of people at various things over the last few years and noone 
> has ever questioned our approach with MIAPE (i.e. to not address 
> quality).
>
> I may well draft something up myself next week anyway for submission 
> as an individual (clearly stating within that mine is not a PSI view), 
> but I'd really like to also see what is going to go from us as a 
> corporate body.
>
> Cheers, Chris.
>
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