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quick test -- please ignore

I've invented a naming scheme for Radio Shows (either actual radio or
web, it doesn't matter):
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<music root>\Radio Shows\<radio show name>\<radio show
name>##<YYYY-MM-DD>##<track>.mp3
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Example:
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C:\music\Radio Shows\Solid Steel\Solid Steel##2003-05-23##01.mp3
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Did we decide on a naming scheme for radio shows like Solid Steel?  If
so, could you post it here?
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Matt

http://www.muse.net.  This seems like a pretty cool application/service.
You can try it free for 30 days and then it's $20 per year.  I'm going
to try it out tonight/tomorrow.

All the kick-ass plugins are listed here:

http://www.eclipse.org/community/plugins.html

Good ones I've got going so far:

XML Buddy (a must have?)
	http://www.xmlbuddy.com/

Checkstyle
	http://sourceforge.net/projects/eclipse-cs/

Call-hierarchy
	http://eclipse-tools.sourceforge.net/call-hierarchy

JBoss IDE (XDoclet code insight; questionable usefulness beyond that)
	http://sf.net/projects/jbosside/

View all key-bindings (handy!)
	http://www.fatborn.org/eclipse/plugins/bindings/index.html

Once I get to the web app stage I'll be almost certainly using this one:
	http://easystruts.sourceforge.net/

BTW, I can't recommend this enough:

http://phppgadmin.sourceforge.net/

Very useful.

Good EJB pattern we should use:

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-ejb1008.html

Another note to self:

When you use the Lomboz "Generate EJB test client" wizard, it contains
one bad reference, and one missing reference.

JBOSS/client/jaas.jar should be:
JBOSS/client/jboss-jaas.jar

If a trivial test client throws wild exceptions like this:

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
Lorg/jboss/tm/TransactionPropagationContextFactory
...

Then make sure the client app references 

JBOSS/client/jboss-transaction-client.jar

Yay.  There've beena number of hiccups with Lomboz, but overall it looks
like it will save a tonne of time.

Mark.

Note to self, since I'm sure I'll need this info again:

Eclipse 2.1
Lomboz plugin
JBoss 3.2.1
Tomcat 4.1.24

Using the Lomboz server profile called "JBOSS 3.0"
There are a couple of missing jar files in the server classpath
settings:

Window / Preferences
	Lomboz
		Server Definitions
			"JBOSS 3.0"
				Classpath tab

Add references to 

JBOSS_DIR\lib\concurrent.jar
JBOSS_DIR\lib\jboss-system.jar

There may well be others missing, but these were the basics I needed to
get the stupid Lomboz demo to deploy.

Mark.

Switch to [insert some Java platform here]/PostgreSQL has begun.  New
CVS module called "polyphony" is now our main module.  The others
(polydoc, polyweb, and unison) will be removed in the future.

The project is Maven (http://www.maven.org) enabled, though it's kind of
broken at the moment since there's no valid source code.

More to come...

Hopefully list archiving is turned back on now too.  We'll see.

Just a reminder (mainly to myself) about how some naming should be done:
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Various:
    Album##Track No.##Track Artist##Track Title
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i.e.
    "Red Hot & Riot##16##Kelis##So Be It.mp3"
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Series:
    Series Name - Series Artist##Track No.##Track artist##Track Title
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i.e. "Anotherlatenight - Tommy Guerrero##10##Cymande##One More Time.mp3"
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...
Keeping the list alive :)

A couple of tools I want to remember for later:
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nant
ndoc
nunit (already planned to use this one)
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Mark.
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I just finished importing into SQL Server 24ish "core" tables for
Unison.  All the auto-numbers from the prototype MDB file are now GUIDs.
All foreign-key relationships are set, too (there are tonnes).

Next steps:

	- Figure out best way to handle "enumeration" tables.
	- Core stored procedures.  For most tables there will be 5 sps:
		- Get     i.e. ArtistsGet
		- GetAll  i.e. TracksGetAll
		- Add     i.e. AlbumsAdd
		- Save    i.e. AlbumsSave
		- Remove  i.e. UsersRemove
	- Some tables will have other specialized sps down the road:
		- GetBySomeColumn
		- RemoveAll (?)

Getting there...  Very slowly, but we're getting there...

Mark.

I made very little progress myself.  Got distracted by Movable Type.  I
hope to get a bit done tonight as well.  This week's goals are the same
as last week's + I want to get stored procedures written too.
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I did create a c# project for unison last week though.  It's in CVS.
It's completely blank save for the obligatory "Class1.cs" :)
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Matt Clements [mailto:mdc...@uw...]=20
	Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:47 PM
	To: pol...@li...
	Subject: RE: [polyphony-devel] Project Goals: 10-Feb-2003 -
16-Feb-2003
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	Mark,
	            I'm really sorry I haven't had more opportunity to
work on this, I don't even know where my time went.  I'll still try and
look at the db and point out my comments tonight.  Have you made much
progress?
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	-----Original Message-----
	From: pol...@li...
[mailto:pol...@li...] On Behalf Of Matt
Clements
	Sent: February 11, 2003 6:26 PM
	To: pol...@li...
	Subject: RE: [polyphony-devel] Project Goals: 10-Feb-2003 -
16-Feb-2003
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	Weekly goals are a great idea.  I was looking at the db the
other day; I'll get the updated one and look at it.  I remember having
some comments/concerns.  I'll try to remember them and post here.  I
think those goals are very reasonable.  I should be able to fit that
into my schedule.
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	Matt
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	-----Original Message-----
	From: pol...@li...
[mailto:pol...@li...] On Behalf Of Mark
Feeney
	Sent: February 10, 2003 11:26 AM
	To: pol...@li...
	Subject: [polyphony-devel] Project Goals: 10-Feb-2003 -
16-Feb-2003
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	How's your schedule, Matt?  I think we should have some weekly
goals to keep us moving.  I filled out most of the main tables in the
prototype db last night, so that's close -- just needs your review.
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	How's your schedule this week?  Busy?
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	Here's what I'd like to get done by Sunday night:
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	- Core (core=3D=3Dbare minimum we need to import the data) tables
scripted in SQL Server
	- Stored procedures written for core tables
	- VS.NET project setup for Unison data layer and added to CVS.
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	If you could have a look at the prototype db sometime and let me
know what looks good/bad/missing (with respect to the core tables), that
would be helpful.
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	db is here:
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http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/polyphony/unis
on/prototype.mdb?rev=3DHEAD&content-type=3Dtext/plain
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	Mark.
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Mark,
            I'm really sorry I haven't had more opportunity to work on
this, I don't even know where my time went.  I'll still try and look at
the db and point out my comments tonight.  Have you made much progress?

-----Original Message-----
From: pol...@li...
[mailto:pol...@li...] On Behalf Of Matt
Clements
Sent: February 11, 2003 6:26 PM
To: pol...@li...
Subject: RE: [polyphony-devel] Project Goals: 10-Feb-2003 - 16-Feb-2003

Weekly goals are a great idea.  I was looking at the db the other day;
I'll get the updated one and look at it.  I remember having some
comments/concerns.  I'll try to remember them and post here.  I think
those goals are very reasonable.  I should be able to fit that into my
schedule.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: pol...@li...
[mailto:pol...@li...] On Behalf Of Mark
Feeney
Sent: February 10, 2003 11:26 AM
To: pol...@li...
Subject: [polyphony-devel] Project Goals: 10-Feb-2003 - 16-Feb-2003

How's your schedule, Matt?  I think we should have some weekly goals to
keep us moving.  I filled out most of the main tables in the prototype
db last night, so that's close -- just needs your review.

How's your schedule this week?  Busy?

Here's what I'd like to get done by Sunday night:

- Core (core==bare minimum we need to import the data) tables scripted
in SQL Server
- Stored procedures written for core tables
- VS.NET project setup for Unison data layer and added to CVS.

If you could have a look at the prototype db sometime and let me know
what looks good/bad/missing (with respect to the core tables), that
would be helpful.

db is here:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/polyphony/unis
on/prototype.mdb?rev=HEAD
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/polyphony/uni
son/prototype.mdb?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain>
&content-type=text/plain

Mark.

Yeah I just thought of that right then.  Is that feasible though?  Maybe
we could just show the first 15 or so tracks, since that would cover
most albums, and maybe we could have some other scheme for multi-disc or
really long albums.

-----Original Message-----
From: pol...@li...
[mailto:pol...@li...] On Behalf Of Mark
Feeney
Sent: February 14, 2003 2:41 PM
To: pol...@li...
Subject: [polyphony-devel] FW: 2 things

I like the "peeking" idea.  I'm cc'ing the list so we have all ideas in
the same place.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Clements [mailto:mdc...@uw...] 
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:38 PM
To: Mark Feeney
Subject: RE: 2 things
Wow that is pretty cool.  It wouldn't be that hard to do either.  I
remember the preview of Longhorn that I saw had something kind of
similar.  In explorer, you would have this kind of "cloud" of albums
related to the artist you're viewing.  Our GUI could have something
similar to AM's hover thing.  You could even peek into the album, see
the list of songs or something.  I'm just rambling.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Feeney [mailto:Mar...@br...] 
Sent: February 14, 2003 2:34 PM
To: mdc...@uw...
Subject: RE: 2 things

Look at a more popular artist than rjd2 -- try Bjork for instance.  In
her album list (view the whole thing), hover over the link for "Post"
(for example).
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Clements [mailto:mdc...@uw...] 
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:30 PM
To: Mark Feeney
Subject: RE: 2 things
I'm not sure I know what you mean about allmusic.  I looked at rjd2's
artist page and it didn't seem to pop up anything.  Perhaps you can
elaborate a little.

Rjd2 is indeed an excellent album.  It's nice to see other artists
taking up the instrumental hiphop cause.  I'm hooked on Common's
"Aquarius" song right now.  That's a fine tune.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Feeney [mailto:Mar...@br...] 
Sent: February 14, 2003 11:37 AM
To: Matt Clements
Subject: 2 things

1) Seen that new AMG feature on the artist page where it shows the album
cover when you hover over the link to the album?  Neat.

2) This rjd2 album is so damn good.  Man.

Mark.

I like the "peeking" idea.  I'm cc'ing the list so we have all ideas in
the same place.
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Matt Clements [mailto:mdc...@uw...]=20
	Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:38 PM
	To: Mark Feeney
	Subject: RE: 2 things
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	Wow that is pretty cool.  It wouldn't be that hard to do either.
I remember the preview of Longhorn that I saw had something kind of
similar.  In explorer, you would have this kind of "cloud" of albums
related to the artist you're viewing.  Our GUI could have something
similar to AM's hover thing.  You could even peek into the album, see
the list of songs or something.  I'm just rambling.
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	-----Original Message-----
	From: Mark Feeney [mailto:Mar...@br...]=20
	Sent: February 14, 2003 2:34 PM
	To: mdc...@uw...
	Subject: RE: 2 things
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	Look at a more popular artist than rjd2 -- try Bjork for
instance.  In her album list (view the whole thing), hover over the link
for "Post" (for example).
		-----Original Message-----
		From: Matt Clements [mailto:mdc...@uw...]=20
		Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:30 PM
		To: Mark Feeney
		Subject: RE: 2 things
		I'm not sure I know what you mean about allmusic.  I
looked at rjd2's artist page and it didn't seem to pop up anything.
Perhaps you can elaborate a little.
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		Rjd2 is indeed an excellent album.  It's nice to see
other artists taking up the instrumental hiphop cause.  I'm hooked on
Common's "Aquarius" song right now.  That's a fine tune.
		=20
		-----Original Message-----
		From: Mark Feeney [mailto:Mar...@br...]=20
		Sent: February 14, 2003 11:37 AM
		To: Matt Clements
		Subject: 2 things
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		1) Seen that new AMG feature on the artist page where it
shows the album cover when you hover over the link to the album?  Neat.
		=20
		2) This rjd2 album is so damn good.  Man.
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		Mark.
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First of all, you know it must be cutting edge if it uses a Z instead of
an S.  If it was my call, I'd have named this thing Mega-FreeDB, or
FreeDB++ though.  Unless I'm missing something this is just FreeDB with
more meta data and a relational backend.
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That aside, it IS a neat project.  To me, the most interesting part of
this project is the trm audio fingerprinting library.  Thanks to the
goodness of open source, we can probably use trm fingerprinting in
polyphony too.  I haven't even looked at it yet, but 10-1 it's not C#,
but we could always port...
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Anyway, it's worth checking out musicbrainz.org if you didn't catch the
/. story and see it already.
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Mark.
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Weekly goals are a great idea.  I was looking at the db the other day;
I'll get the updated one and look at it.  I remember having some
comments/concerns.  I'll try to remember them and post here.  I think
those goals are very reasonable.  I should be able to fit that into my
schedule.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: pol...@li...
[mailto:pol...@li...] On Behalf Of Mark
Feeney
Sent: February 10, 2003 11:26 AM
To: pol...@li...
Subject: [polyphony-devel] Project Goals: 10-Feb-2003 - 16-Feb-2003

How's your schedule, Matt?  I think we should have some weekly goals to
keep us moving.  I filled out most of the main tables in the prototype
db last night, so that's close -- just needs your review.

How's your schedule this week?  Busy?

Here's what I'd like to get done by Sunday night:

- Core (core==bare minimum we need to import the data) tables scripted
in SQL Server
- Stored procedures written for core tables
- VS.NET project setup for Unison data layer and added to CVS.

If you could have a look at the prototype db sometime and let me know
what looks good/bad/missing (with respect to the core tables), that
would be helpful.

db is here:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/polyphony/unis
on/prototype.mdb?rev=HEAD
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/polyphony/uni
son/prototype.mdb?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain>
&content-type=text/plain

Mark.

How's your schedule, Matt?  I think we should have some weekly goals to
keep us moving.  I filled out most of the main tables in the prototype
db last night, so that's close -- just needs your review.
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How's your schedule this week?  Busy?
=20
Here's what I'd like to get done by Sunday night:
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- Core (core=3D=3Dbare minimum we need to import the data) tables =
scripted
in SQL Server
- Stored procedures written for core tables
- VS.NET project setup for Unison data layer and added to CVS.
=20
If you could have a look at the prototype db sometime and let me know
what looks good/bad/missing (with respect to the core tables), that
would be helpful.
=20
db is here:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/polyphony/unis
on/prototype.mdb?rev=3DHEAD&content-type=3Dtext/plain
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Mark.
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That is pretty wild.  The sound quality is ... well awful ... but what a
cool idea! =20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Clements [mailto:mdc...@uw...]=20
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: pol...@li...
> Subject: [polyphony-devel] Virtual needle
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> This is also a possibility when converting vinyl to regular=20
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This is also a possibility when converting vinyl to regular audio -
http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/

Hey Matt,

We talked about having "artist roles" (recall we have Artists, and
ArtistPeople) so we could assign a role to a person within an "artist"
(band/group).  I've cut this idea -- I don't think it's a good idea to
assign someone in a band a role within the band since that could very
well change between albums or just over time.

We'd also discussed having AlbumRoles, which is good, and which handles
our idea of artist roles anyway -- we can assign the people in the band
to the album with specific (one or many) roles.

So to recap, we still have ArtistPeople, but it just maps a person into
a band within a time period.  Roles are done at the album level.

Later tonight I'll be updating the prototype db in CVS to refelct this.

Mark.

I like this idea.  Having links to IMDB would be good because I don't
think they are going to change (nor will Google Groups I guess).  One
thing that would be cool, since samples are samples, having the
information in one user's polyphony store, it would be nice to propagate
that information to other polyphony stores.  That way it would be more
of a collective effort to get more song coverage.  It might be something
worth exploring.

-----Original Message-----
From: pol...@li...
[mailto:pol...@li...] On Behalf Of Mark
Feeney
Sent: February 6, 2003 2:44 PM
To: pol...@li...
Subject: RE: [polyphony-devel] Samples

Or... we could also have a facility to upload a sound clip of the
original sample -- ?  That way you could hear the audio from the sampled
movie scene, tv show, etc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Feeney 
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:41 PM
> To: pol...@li...
> Subject: RE: [polyphony-devel] Samples
> 
> 
> Yes, but how?  I don't want movies in here :)  Maybe we can 
> have types of sample links -- i.e. link to another song, or 
> just have a sample note, or have a link to a web address -- 
> say a page at IMDB or a
> archived newsgroup article in google with more detail.   That way if
> there's a movie sample we can add a link to IMDB, or the 
> script or whatever.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matt Clements [mailto:mdc...@uw...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: pol...@li...
> > Subject: RE: [polyphony-devel] Samples
> > 
> > 
> > This is another question related to our sample collection
> > idea.  You were thinking of just having links to songs right? 
> >  So if I had a song with movie samples in it, we wouldn't 
> > record that information right?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pol...@li...
> > [mailto:pol...@li...] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Feeney
> > Sent: February 2, 2003 11:00 AM
> > To: Polyphony Developer List
> > Subject: [polyphony-devel] Samples
> > 
> > Matt, or all our other readers <g>,  do you know of any web
> > site where you can look up a song/album and find out what 
> > samples are used on said song/album?  I would have thought 
> > someone would do this by now, but basic searches came up 
> > empty.  If such a thing doesn't exist, we should build it.  
> > It can interface with Polyphony, or just be build into Polyphony.
> > 
> > It would be neat to see all the musical connections created
> > by sampling.
> > 
> > The idea is partially inspired by The Covers Project, which
> > is pretty cool if you haven't looked at it: http://covers.wiw.org/
> > 
> > 
> > Mark.
> > 
> > 
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