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Re: [Plib-users] problems with configure

[<ph...@bo...>]

[ Steve Baker writes ]
> Philip Brown wrote:
> > 
> > [ Steve Baker writes ]
> > > Those are not the correct places. OpenGL *MUST* be installed here:
> > >
> > >    /usr/include/GL/gl.h
> > >    /usr/lib/libGL.so
> > >    /usr/lib/libGLU.so
> > >
> > > These are the 'official' locations on every Linux/UNIX derivative
> > > I can think of.
> > 
> > That is not true. It is commonly installed in /usr/local
> 
> Commonly - perhaps - but certainly incorrectly.
> 
> I refer you to the standard:
> 
>   http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ogl-sample/ABI/
> 

Like I already said; Mesa defaults to /usr/local.
It does that now. It's been that way for many years.

If you are not willing to change your autoconfiguration to work with the
number 2 most common OpenGL implementation (heck, by now, possibly 
number *1* most common OpenGL implementation), then kindly take out the
claims of  "these libraries are designed to be easily portable"
in your README file.

Re: [Plib-users] problems with configure

[Steve B. <sjb...@ai...>]

Philip Brown wrote:
> 
> [ Steve Baker writes ]
> > Philip Brown wrote:
> > >
> > > configure does not seem to be picking up my installation of mesa.
> > >
> > > I have /usr/local/include/GL/gl.h, etc.
> > > I have /usr/local/lib/libGL.so
> >
> > Those are not the correct places. OpenGL *MUST* be installed here:
> >
> >    /usr/include/GL/gl.h
> >    /usr/lib/libGL.so
> >    /usr/lib/libGLU.so
> >
> > These are the 'official' locations on every Linux/UNIX derivative
> > I can think of.
> 
> That is not true. It is commonly installed in /usr/local

Commonly - perhaps - but certainly incorrectly.

I refer you to the standard:

  http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ogl-sample/ABI/

...this is the standard for Linux, IRIX has always been this way, 
BSD and Solaris.

The practical problem with allowing libraries (especially OpenGL)
to be in any of a gazillion places is that people frequently get
one OpenGL installed on their machine (hopefully in the correct
place) then install another somewhere else when they get the right
version for their hardware - they frequently have it installed in
three or four places (/usr/X11R6/lib is another frequent place).

What happens is that the wrong one gets loaded in some programs
and not others - and the resulting complaint ("Program X runs
fast, program Y crashes and program Z runs - but really slowly")
is *REALLY* hard to diagnose...not only do you not know which
library is installed in which of the usual places - but you also
don't know which one the complex interaction of symlinks, configure
'guesses', ldconfig and /etc/ld.so.conf may have landed you with.

Hence there is now ONE STANDARD - agreed by more or less everyone.

It works - it's the rule.

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Re: [Plib-users] problems with configure

[<ph...@bo...>]

[ Steve Baker writes ]
> Philip Brown wrote:
> > 
> > configure does not seem to be picking up my installation of mesa.
> > 
> > I have /usr/local/include/GL/gl.h, etc.
> > I have /usr/local/lib/libGL.so
> 
> Those are not the correct places. OpenGL *MUST* be installed here:
> 
>    /usr/include/GL/gl.h
>    /usr/lib/libGL.so
>    /usr/lib/libGLU.so
> 
> These are the 'official' locations on every Linux/UNIX derivative
> I can think of.

That is not true. It is commonly installed in /usr/local
In fact, when compiling from source, [mesa] DEFAULTS TO INSTALL IN
/usr/local unless you specifically override it.

So there are two things odd with plib configure;

1. it doesn't automatically check in /usr/local for GL stuff. Why not?
  Other GNU software knows to check /usr/local/include for stuff

2. Why isn't it doing anythig when I give the
  --includedir  and --libdir  args?
If those flags are only used for include/lib file INSTALLATION, it should
be better documented.

Re: [Plib-users] problems with configure

[Steve B. <sjb...@ai...>]

Philip Brown wrote:
> 
> configure does not seem to be picking up my installation of mesa.
> 
> I have /usr/local/include/GL/gl.h, etc.
> I have /usr/local/lib/libGL.so

Those are not the correct places. OpenGL *MUST* be installed here:

   /usr/include/GL/gl.h
   /usr/lib/libGL.so
   /usr/lib/libGLU.so

These are the 'official' locations on every Linux/UNIX derivative
I can think of.

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              WorkEmail: <sj...@li...>
              HomePage : http://web2.airmail.net/sjbaker1
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                         http://tuxaqfh.sourceforge.net
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Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[Steve B. <sjb...@ai...>]

Christian Mayer wrote:

> The Admin is away (on the SIGGRAPH) for a few days :-(

Sorry - I'll can this guy right away.  Also - a couple of other
people who couldn't be bothered to unsubscribe before changing
their email addresses (Grrrrr).

The good news is that of the 1900 emails I *thought* I'd got,
over 1000 of them were junk of one sort or another!

Sorry guys.

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              WorkEmail: <sj...@li...>
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                         http://tuxaqfh.sourceforge.net
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Re: [Plib-users] Call for moderation

[Steve B. <sjb...@ai...>]

Max Watson wrote:
> 
> After 190 of those autoresponses, can I make the case for a moderated list? I would be
> willing to help moderate, if necessary.

I don't like moderated lists and I certainly don't want to go that way.

This has only ever happened once - and it would have been caught after a handful of
messages had I not been out of town at the time.  That was just bad luck.

The correct solution (IMHO) is for me to ask someone to be an emergency backup
list administrator - if anyone wants the job, let me know and I'll set you up
with list admin privilages and a password.

Sorry.

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              WorkEmail: <sj...@li...>
              HomePage : http://web2.airmail.net/sjbaker1
              Projects : http://plib.sourceforge.net
                         http://tuxaqfh.sourceforge.net
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                         http://prettypoly.sourceforge.net

Re: [Plib-users] Mailbomb? was: Auto Reply to your message ...

[Steve B. <sjb...@ai...>]

Risto S Varanka wrote:
> 
> > Some people, when going on holiday activate automatisms that
> > answer e-mails with something like "I am on holiday, so dont expect a
> > reply from me until I am back". This is what the message says (in
> > German). Now you have to remember that e-mails you send to the list
> > will be sent on to everyone on the list, including you.
> 
> I would suppose all automated reply programs take this into
> account - otherwise we would see much more of these cases, and in
> my experience they are pretty rare. So I wonder how this happened
> - somebody wrote their own script? :)
> 
> Btw, one of the simplests solutions to this is to just unsubscribe
> the person from the list.

Sorry - I was out for a week at SigGraph and failed to nominate
someone to look after the list in my absence.

Typically the Sourceforge mailer sorts these things out and only
the list admin (me) gets mailbombed.  I think this is the first
time it's ever happened to this list...and of course it *would*
happen right when I was offline for a week!

Unfortunately, about 40 people unsubscribed.  Now I'll have to
extract all their names and email them to tell them it's OK
to
come back again.

    :-(

I've also mercilessly FLAMED the guy who did it and taken him off
all of my mailing lists.

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              WorkEmail: <sj...@li...>
              HomePage : http://web2.airmail.net/sjbaker1
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                         http://tuxaqfh.sourceforge.net
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[Plib-users] problems with configure

[<ph...@bo...>]

configure does not seem to be picking up my installation of mesa.

I have /usr/local/include/GL/gl.h, etc.
I have /usr/local/lib/libGL.so

I'm using g++ installed in /opt/sfw  (solaris 8)

But I tried both configure with no args, and
configure --includedir=/usr/local/include --libdir=/usr/local/lib


It still says

checking for glNewList in -lGL... no
checking for glNewList in -lMesaGL... no
checking for gluLookAt in -lGLU... no
checking for gluLookAt in -lMesaGLU... no


But when I do it myself, I see it.

zaphod$ nm /usr/local/lib/libGL.so | grep glNewList
[2909]  |    309496|      56|FUNC |GLOB |0    |9      |glNewList


Similarly, the pui compilation is not seeing the include files:

../../src/fnt/fnt.h:11: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory
../../src/fnt/fnt.h:12: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory


But they are in /usr/local/include!

Re: [Plib-users] [Fwd: Re: please ban someone at plib-users@sour...]

[Steve W. <st...@sh...>]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:02:40 +0300 (EET DST), Risto S Varanka wrote:

>On Sysadmin Appreciation Day? =)

Now that the spam has stopped.... :)  Has no one tried Mesa 3.3 or 3.2.1 with a 
3Dfx card?


-----------
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while bad people will find a way around the laws."
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Re: [Plib-users] [Fwd: Re: please ban someone at plib-users@sour...]

[Risto S V. <rva...@cc...>]

> Stefan Eischet wrote:
> 
> > > Okay.. should be taken care of.  What I did is set that email address to  require approval ..
> 
> > (seems that his admin DID not turn off the responder, although he promised to do it on the phone two hours ago...)
> 
> Perhaps we should have just subscribed his admin? 8->
> Nate

On Sysadmin Appreciation Day? =)

--
Varis
ris...@he...

Re: [Plib-users] [Fwd: Re: please ban someone at plib-users@sour...]

[Nathan S. <np...@si...>]

Stefan Eischet wrote:

> > Okay.. should be taken care of.  What I did is set that email address to  require approval ..

> (seems that his admin DID not turn off the responder, although he promised to do it on the phone two hours ago...)

Perhaps we should have just subscribed his admin? 8->
Nate

Re: [Plib-users] [Fwd: Re: please ban someone at plib-users@sour...]

[Stefan E. <st...@in...>]

Hello,

...
> > there's someone on the plib-users@sourceforge who's activated an holiday message that gets send every few 
> > minutes. *PLEASE* ban this guy ASAP. Our admin can't do it as he's currently away for a few days.
> > 
> > CU,
> > Christian
> > 
> 
> Okay.. should be taken care of.  What I did is set that email address to
> require approval before the message
> is sent to the list.  I hope that this is cool..
> -- 
> - U

Yes it is. I take back everything I said about our admins. It was just a quote anyway ;-)

But, just out of curiosity, won't that mailbomb the poor soul who get's the confirmation messages? And the bombing will increase with every post to this list, because that @bcc guy still receives everything and automatically replies (seems that his admin DID not turn off the responder, although he promised to do it on the phone two hours ago...)

> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
> and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
> 

Did he *really* say that? Cool :-)

Greetings,
  Stefan

// st...@ei...

Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ... NOT ANY MORE

[Stefan E. <st...@in...>]

Hi Guys,

I've just talked to someone from gcc.de, and he promised to disable the autoresponder ASAP. He also commented that our list must be badly administered if no one unsubscribes the guy; perhaps he's right, since good list managers software should automatically detect autoresponders.
Hehe, they called back roughly one minute after I sent them mail; perhaps I shouldn't have forgotten to remove my employer's signature from the mail, we're quite a big company :-)

> Befinde mich zur Zeit im Urlaub !
> 
> mfg.
> M.Nogal
>
Greetings,
  Stefan
 
// st...@ei...

[Plib-users] Call for moderation

[Max W. <ma...@bl...>]

After 190 of those autoresponses, can I make the case for a moderated list? I would be 
willing to help moderate, if necessary.

Max Watson <ma...@bl...>

Re: [Plib-users] Mailbomb? was: Auto Reply to your message ...

[Risto S V. <rva...@cc...>]

> Some people, when going on holiday activate automatisms that
> answer e-mails with something like "I am on holiday, so dont expect a
> reply from me until I am back". This is what the message says (in
> German). Now you have to remember that e-mails you send to the list
> will be sent on to everyone on the list, including you. 

I would suppose all automated reply programs take this into
account - otherwise we would see much more of these cases, and in
my experience they are pretty rare. So I wonder how this happened
- somebody wrote their own script? :)

Btw, one of the simplests solutions to this is to just unsubscribe
the person from the list. 

-- 
Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/		
ris...@he...

[Plib-users] [Fwd: Re: please ban someone at plib-users@sour...]

[<Va...@t-...>]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: please ban someone at plib-users@sour...
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:57:20 -0700
From: Uriah Welcome <pre...@va...>
To: Christian Mayer <va...@t-...>
References: <200...@de...>

On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 12:53:33PM -0700, Christian Mayer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> there's someone on the plib-users@sourceforge who's activated an holiday message that gets send every few 
> minutes. *PLEASE* ban this guy ASAP. Our admin can't do it as he's currently away for a few days.
> 
> CU,
> Christian
> 

Okay.. should be taken care of.  What I did is set that email address to
require approval before the message
is sent to the list.  I hope that this is cool..
-- 
- U

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[<Va...@t-...>]

Peter A Barros wrote:
> 
> i hate to bother everyone but i can't deal with this anymore...does anyone
> know how to unsubscribe from this list?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> plib-users mailing list
> pli...@li...
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/plib-users

Just follow the link that gets added to all the plib mails...

CU,
Christian

PS: I hope that all the people who are unsubscribing now (which is a
good work-around) will be here again after that spammig stopped.

Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[<Va...@t-...>]

Stefan Eischet wrote:
> 
> > Befinde mich zur Zeit im Urlaub !
> >
> > mfg.
> > M.Nogal
> >
> 
> German for "I'm on holiday right now!", in case anyone cares.
> 
> Thanks for telling us!
> 
> I hope the admin gets home soon to unsubscribe poor Nogal
> (before someone kills him [I'm not suggesting homicide of
> course; usr/bin/kill(1) will do just fine ;-) ].
> 
> // st...@ei...
>

The Admin is away (on the SIGGRAPH) for a few days :-( 

But we should send mails to the sourceforge admins, so that they can
activate a temporary ban.

Otherwise the only sollution is to unsubscribe or to filter all those
mails and direct them directly to /dev/null...

CU,
Christian

PS: Interestingly we had the same problem at work. But this happend only
with one guy - the only one using Lotus Notes...

PPS: There's another solution: when the sending computer is down it
can't produce any new mails. But I dunno if it is such a good idea as it
might be illegal to try to 'shoot' it down with your fafourite hacker
tool

[Plib-users] Mailbomb? was: Auto Reply to your message ...

[Wolfram K. <w_...@rz...>]

you wrote:

>Is it just my imagination or did someone just mail
>bomb the server?

No, this was obviously not done on purpose:
Some people, when going on holiday activate automatisms that
answer e-mails with something like "I am on holiday, so dont expect a
reply from me until I am back". This is what the message says (in
German). Now you have to remember that e-mails you send to the list
will be sent on to everyone on the list, including you. So, the list
sends one message - the automatism answers, the list sends the answer
back - the automatism answers its own answer again etc ad infinitum. I
sent an e-mail to pos...@bc..., maybe that will help, it should
be a valid address. 

>SiMON

Bye bye,
Wolfram.

How to remove spam Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[Xavier P. <xa...@sd...>]

This might not be a solution to all, but what I have done is via netscape,
is to set a filter to delete all emails from the submitted.  I have not been bothered since
This was much easier than un-subscribing then re-subscribing.
If you don't know how to use the Netscape filter send me an email.

Peter A Barros wrote:

> i hate to bother everyone but i can't deal with this anymore...does anyone
> know how to unsubscribe from this list?
>
> _______________________________________________
> plib-users mailing list
> pli...@li...
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/plib-users

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Software Engineer
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PH : (858) 292-8787x13
FAX: (858) 292-8792

Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[<fa...@ya...>]

--- no...@bc... wrote: >   -----  The following is an
automated response to
> your message
>   -----  generated on behalf of no...@bc...
> 
> Befinde mich zur Zeit im Urlaub !
> 
> mfg.
> M.Nogal
> 
Is it just my imagination or did someone just mail
bomb the server?

SiMON

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Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[Peter A B. <p.a...@la...>]

i hate to bother everyone but i can't deal with this anymore...does anyone
know how to unsubscribe from this list?

Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[Stefan E. <st...@in...>]

> Befinde mich zur Zeit im Urlaub !
> 
> mfg.
> M.Nogal
> 

German for "I'm on holiday right now!", in case anyone cares.

Thanks for telling us!

I hope the admin gets home soon to unsubscribe poor Nogal
(before someone kills him [I'm not suggesting homicide of 
course; usr/bin/kill(1) will do just fine ;-) ].

// st...@ei...

Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[Jon B. <js...@ha...>]

OK. Who's the freakin idiot that sent me a message per minute for the last
couple of hours? I am going to have to unsubscribe, now :-(


----- Original Message -----
From: <no...@bc...>
To: <pli...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:57 AM
Subject: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...


>   -----  The following is an automated response to your message
>   -----  generated on behalf of no...@bc...
>
> Befinde mich zur Zeit im Urlaub !
>
> mfg.
> M.Nogal
>

Re: [Plib-users] Auto Reply to your message ...

[Srikanth.K.P <kps...@cs...>]

I have recvd same mesg about 100 times thro' this. Can anyone tell why ?

Srikanth K P