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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Pleac like project : Uthcode

[Senthil K. <se...@ut...>]

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Chris Angelico <ro...@gm...> wrote:

> "Should be" is all very well, but that's governed by licensing. In a
> lot of cases, code can be moved only one way. For instance, a license
> described as "GPL-compatible" is one that you can take from and post
> under the GPL, but not the other way around.
>

I see and I understand that is the case with Copyleft nature of GPL.


> So the notion
> of two-way sharing is pretty much guaranteed to be excluded, unless
> the licenses are identical.
>

Just that we are on topic (and I lack experience in licenses), what if the
shared code is published under the same license.
but the project's previous code is under another compatible license. Will
that be an undesirable condition?

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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Pleac like project : Uthcode

[Martin B. <mb...@em...>]

Excerpts from Senthil Kumaran's message of 2014-07-29 04:18:00 +0200:
> I think, with rosettacode and pleac present, I will still pursue the
> uthcode.com project. My aim being, a system helpful to start learning
> programing, just as PLEAC is. Also, the review part (in uthcode) like
> reviewing  the patch both code and explanation, via github model of pull
> request,  discussion on each code adds some value to the project

i agree, those sound like great features. anyways, being aware and having
considered alternatives will make your project a better one.

> > i'd suggest that efforts are used to improve rosettacode as it is the
> > largest repository of code examples. ideally, all pleac examples ought to
> > be merged into rosettacode if the license permits.
> 
> I think, licenses are compatible, it may just be the effort and maintainer
> ship. But Rosettacode's aim seems to be huge, not just cookbook style
> recipes (like PLEAC) and beginner programming problems (such as Uthcode).

yes, it can group tasks though, so the cookbook can receive it's own group, and
so could (and should) beginner tasks, as that is being asked for occasionally.

> To me, there is value in multiple projects and sharing of code should be OK
> between these projects.

absolutely!
be sure to add a link to your project on the RC alternatives page, and since
you agree that code should be shared, t would be nice if you could indicate
that people may take code from your site and include on RC.

note, i am just a user on RC and i am just sharing my personal opinion.

i believe that RC has the greatest chance of staying around in the long run,
and that's why i support it. i consider PLEAC a subset of what RC does. Uthcode
on the other hand seems to add more and focus on needs that RC doesn't cover.

i wish you much success with that.

greetings, martin.

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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Pleac like project : Uthcode

[Chris A. <ro...@gm...>]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Senthil Kumaran <se...@ut...> wrote:
> To me, there is value in multiple projects and sharing of code should be OK
> between these projects.

"Should be" is all very well, but that's governed by licensing. In a
lot of cases, code can be moved only one way. For instance, a license
described as "GPL-compatible" is one that you can take from and post
under the GPL, but not the other way around. (I use the MIT license
for most of my code, which basically says "do what you like, only
don't sue me". You can take my code and put it into any open-source or
even closed-source project, and it's legal; but I can't take GPL code
and put it into my project. It's one-way compatibility.) So the notion
of two-way sharing is pretty much guaranteed to be excluded, unless
the licenses are identical.

ChrisA

Re: [Pleac-discuss] Pleac like project : Uthcode

[yoann p. <yoa...@gm...>]

Hi,

I agree that github is more convenient. I think pleac should be moved
to github.



On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Senthil Kumaran <se...@ut...>
wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Martin Bähr <
> mb...@em...> wrote:
>
>> this may be a good time to ask if you are aware of rosettacode.org?
>>
>>
> Thanks for the response. I had seen rosettacode long time ago and now I
> see that it has evolved quite  a lot.
>
> I think, with rosettacode and pleac present, I will still pursue the
> uthcode.com project. My aim being, a system helpful to start learning
> programing, just as PLEAC is. Also, the review part (in uthcode) like
> reviewing  the patch both code and explanation, via github model of pull
> request,  discussion on each code adds some value to the project
>
>>
>> i'd suggest that efforts are used to improve rosettacode as it is the
>> largest
>> repository of code examples. ideally, all pleac examples ought to be
>> merged
>> into rosettacode if the license permits.
>>
>
> I think, licenses are compatible, it may just be the effort and maintainer
> ship. But Rosettacode's aim seems to be huge, not just cookbook style
> recipes (like PLEAC) and beginner programming problems (such as Uthcode).
>
> To me, there is value in multiple projects and sharing of code should be
> OK between these projects.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Senthil
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Pleac like project : Uthcode

[Senthil K. <se...@ut...>]

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Martin Bähr <
mb...@em...> wrote:

> this may be a good time to ask if you are aware of rosettacode.org?
>
>
Thanks for the response. I had seen rosettacode long time ago and now I see
that it has evolved quite  a lot.

I think, with rosettacode and pleac present, I will still pursue the
uthcode.com project. My aim being, a system helpful to start learning
programing, just as PLEAC is. Also, the review part (in uthcode) like
reviewing  the patch both code and explanation, via github model of pull
request,  discussion on each code adds some value to the project

>
> i'd suggest that efforts are used to improve rosettacode as it is the
> largest
> repository of code examples. ideally, all pleac examples ought to be merged
> into rosettacode if the license permits.
>

I think, licenses are compatible, it may just be the effort and maintainer
ship. But Rosettacode's aim seems to be huge, not just cookbook style
recipes (like PLEAC) and beginner programming problems (such as Uthcode).

To me, there is value in multiple projects and sharing of code should be OK
between these projects.



Thanks,
Senthil

Re: [Pleac-discuss] Pleac like project : Uthcode

[Martin B. <mb...@em...>]

Excerpts from Senthil Kumaran's message of 2014-07-28 05:12:58 +0200:
> I am a fan of PLEAC project and I had a similar project called Uthcode (
> http://www.uthcode.com) running for a long time. I reinvigorated my project
> recently, added the capability to contribute via pull requests from github
> for both source and documentation, build automatically and run the snippet
> using ideone sandbox which supports multiple language runtimes. I prefer
> this modern toolchain and feedback loop when reading snippets. I preferred
> BSD 3 clause license too, which is compatible with GPL, but not copyleft.
> (Also, some programs like questions of k&r are copyright of k&r publisher,
> the solutions and explanations are from other contributors)

this may be a good time to ask if you are aware of rosettacode.org?

> I wanted to ask this mailing list, if I can reuse the programs from PLEAC,
> preserving the author and license, to my project uthcode.
> I might end upon modifying the programs in way that to make in self
> contained, etc. I will preserve the section name as PLEAC and point to
> PLEAC too.
> 
> Do you think it is a good idea or do you suggest that I should not reuse
> programs from pleac? Any ideas, thoughts or concerns.

i'd suggest that efforts are used to improve rosettacode as it is the largest
repository of code examples. ideally, all pleac examples ought to be merged
into rosettacode if the license permits.

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[Pleac-discuss] Pleac like project : Uthcode

[Senthil K. <se...@ut...>]

Hello All,

I am a fan of PLEAC project and I had a similar project called Uthcode (
http://www.uthcode.com) running for a long time. I reinvigorated my project
recently, added the capability to contribute via pull requests from github
for both source and documentation, build automatically and run the snippet
using ideone sandbox which supports multiple language runtimes. I prefer
this modern toolchain and feedback loop when reading snippets. I preferred
BSD 3 clause license too, which is compatible with GPL, but not copyleft.
(Also, some programs like questions of k&r are copyright of k&r publisher,
the solutions and explanations are from other contributors)

I wanted to ask this mailing list, if I can reuse the programs from PLEAC,
preserving the author and license, to my project uthcode.
I might end upon modifying the programs in way that to make in self
contained, etc. I will preserve the section name as PLEAC and point to
PLEAC too.

Do you think it is a good idea or do you suggest that I should not reuse
programs from pleac? Any ideas, thoughts or concerns.

Thanks,
Senthil

[Pleac-discuss] ocaml – Finding the Most Common Anything (hashes) incomplete

[Kevin B. U. <unh...@mm...>]

Hi,

http://pleac.sourceforge.net/ claims OCaml is 100 % done, but see
"Finding the Most Common Anything" on
http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_ocaml/hashes.html

This just finds how many elements there are, not the most common
element.

(I suppsoe http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_perl/hashes.html could
also be considered incomplete since doesn't find the most common after
it's done summing.)


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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Becoming a contributor

[Stefan S. <st...@no...>]

Hi Pierre,

On 2014-05-15 16:45:53, Pierre Chevalier Géologue wrote:
> Le 15/05/2014 03:34, Ben Joyner claviota:
> > I believe I could contribute to some of the PLEAC subject matter:
> > Ansi-c, bash, python, etc. I have been involved with unix systems
> > since 1984 as engineer, technician, and senior system admin.
> >
> > How might I get started?
>
> I also wanted to contribute to PLEAC, concerning the Rebol and Red 
> languages.  So I subscribed to this list a while ago; but it appears 
> that this discussion list is rather... sleepy, I would say.
> I was asking myself the same questions as you.

See point 7 in the FAQ:
http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac-faq.html

And under the headline "Contribute" on
http://pleac.sourceforge.net/


Short: Post your code to the mailing list. (But please read the
FAQ and the homepage.)



Regards,
Stefan

[Pleac-discuss] Becoming a contributor

[Ben J. <be...@ca...>]

I believe I could contribute to some of the PLEAC subject matter:
Ansi-c, bash, python, etc. I have been involved with unix systems
since 1984 as engineer, technician, and senior system admin.

How might I get started?

Ben Joyner

[Pleac-discuss] contributing PLEAC tasks to rosettacode.org

[Martin B. <mb...@em...>]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 05:13:27AM +0200, Martin Bähr wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:02:07PM +0200, Pierre Chevalier Géologue wrote:
> > It seems that this list is *very* quiet: does anyone know if PLEAC is 
> > still a live project?
> 
> well, take a look at the responses, i think the evidence speaks for
> itself. the repository should still be alive though, and if noone with
> commit access can be found, the repository could be copied to somewhere
> else.
> 
> however, i'd like to point out an alternative: 
> contribute to http://rosettacode.org
> 
> pleac problems could be added as tasks to rosettacode.org too. (it may
> even be possible to copy the code (except for perl) because the license
> is compatible (both sites are using the Free Documentation License))

i just talked to the owner of rosettacode.org. he'd welcome adding PLEAC
tasks to rosettacode. rosettacode.org is FDL 1.2, PLEAC just says FDL
without a version, but all FDL versions state that: 

  "If the Document does not specify a version number of this License, you
   may choose any version ever published (not as a draft) by the Free
   Software Foundation."

so PLEAC solutions (except perl) can be copied as FDL 1.2

my personal opinion is that given the low activity on PLEAC that moving
to rosettacode is a good idea. it would continue the spirit of the
project, while making it easier to contribute.

PLEAC tasks can be grouped into a category on rosettacode, so it would
still be possible to look at the original set of PLEAC tasks.

it may even be easy to use a variant of this script
http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/pleac/pleac.cgi to extract solutions
one task at a time.

the main work would be to rewrite the task descriptions since they can't
just be copied from the book.

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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Looking to Contribute for C++/STL/Boost

[Martin B. <mb...@em...>]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:02:07PM +0200, Pierre Chevalier Géologue wrote:
> It seems that this list is *very* quiet: does anyone know if PLEAC is 
> still a live project?

well, take a look at the responses, i think the evidence speaks for
itself. the repository should still be alive though, and if noone with
commit access can be found, the repository could be copied to somewhere
else.

however, i'd like to point out an alternative: 
contribute to http://rosettacode.org

pleac problems could be added as tasks to rosettacode.org too. (it may
even be possible to copy the code (except for perl) because the license
is compatible (both sites are using the Free Documentation License))

> By the way, I think this would be convenient: all the lists I subscribed 
> behave like that: simply replying to a message from the list goes to the 
> list.

http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html

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[Pleac-discuss] Looking to Contribute for C++/STL/Boost

[Jason G. <ger...@gm...>]

Hi,

I'm a new follower of the PLEAC project, and I'm interested in contributing
to the incomplete portions of the C++/STL/Boost solutions.

How do I get involved?

Best Regards,
Jason

[Pleac-discuss] (no subject)

[Fares G. <got...@ab...>]

 g oti...@ab...

[Pleac-discuss] git repo

[Martin D. <mar...@gm...>]

Has it been considered to move PLEAC to github? It would make
contributing a lot easier, and probably raise the project's visibility
too.

martin

Re: [Pleac-discuss] Factor diff - CSV and date math

[Stefan S. <st...@no...>]

On 2008-05-12 22:40:47, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> Stefan Scholl <stesch 'at' no-spoon.de> writes:
> 
> > Thanks for letting Factor party with the PLEAC crowd!
> 
> thanks for your contribution!

And 4 years later I think Factor should be removed from PLEAC.
The language and library changed over the years and I don't think
all the code is still working.

I've given up on the language and nobody else was updating it.


Factor's last release was in 2010. So even the language itself
seems a bit dead.

[Pleac-discuss] OK I compile but ...

[Chris B. <chr...@gm...>]

Hi every body

I download pleac-pleac.tgz  I install every thing
even emacs htmlize.el etc ...

nom I can make pleac_go.html

It work but there is some

// @@PLEAC@@_NAME
// @@SKIP@@ Go

// @@PLEAC@@_WEB
// @@SKIP@@ http://golang.org/

// @@PLEAC@@_INTRO

How do you finish the document ?

ruby subsitute.rb but what are the html file ?

please tell me

A bientot

Chris

Re: [Pleac-discuss] Hello / Bonjour

[Chris A. <ro...@gm...>]

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Chris Angelico <ro...@gm...> wrote:
>> I want to help you with pleac Go
>
> It's not dead! What languages are you skilled in?

Oops, I just reread your post. Forgot that Go is a language as well as a game!

Chris Angelico

Re: [Pleac-discuss] Hello / Bonjour

[Yoann P. <yoa...@gm...>]

Go for it!



On May 19, 2012, at 0:39, Chris BONNET <chr...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi everybody
> Is there any contributors here ?
> 
> I want to help you with pleac Go 
> 
> If this ML not dead please answer me :)
> 
> hope see you soon
> 
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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Hello / Bonjour

[Chris A. <ro...@gm...>]

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Chris BONNET <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi everybody
> Is there any contributors here ?
>
> I want to help you with pleac Go
>
> If this ML not dead please answer me :)

It's not dead! What languages are you skilled in?

Chris Angelico
(Pike contributor on occasion)

[Pleac-discuss] Hello / Bonjour

[Chris B. <chr...@gm...>]

Hi everybody
Is there any contributors here ?

I want to help you with pleac Go

If this ML not dead please answer me :)

hope see you soon

Chris

Re: [Pleac-discuss] CoffeScript

[Guillaume C. <gco...@gm...>]

Done. And very sorry for the huuuuuuuge delay :/


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM, gulden <gul...@gm...> wrote:
> This may help
>
> https://github.com/jashkenas/coffee-script/wiki/Text-editor-plugins
>
>
> Marcos Garcia
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Guillaume Cottenceau <gco...@gm...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > I am considering taking over the CoffeScript sections, is there
>> > anyone already doing this?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> > I'm new to PLEAC, however I'm sending in attach the first attempt to
>> > start
>> > publishing the CoffeeScript sections. Now I need your feedback in order
>> > to
>> > follow my initiative.
>>
>> I need an emacs-mode for syntax highlighting. Do you know any specific
>> for that language?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Guillaume Cottenceau
>
>



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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Clojure submission

[Guillaume C. <gco...@gm...>]

Hi,

Here it is, I have merged and uploaded your clojure contribution.
Already 15.29% complete, impressive!

And sorry again for the delay :/

Thanks!!


On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM,  <mb...@pa...> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 03:31:40PM +0100, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
>> thanks. another question: you said "we" hacked, so who should I put as
>> author(s)? thanks
>
> The contributors are:
>  Michael Bacarella <mb...@pa...>
>  John Li <jl...@ci...>
>  John Fingerhut <jaf...@me...>
>
> Sweet!
>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:57 PM,  <mb...@pa...> wrote:
>> > technomancy's clojure-mode is, I think, the standard
>> > ?https://github.com/technomancy/clojure-mode
>> >
>> > Some formatting changes in this new version
>> > ?http://www.panix.com/~mbac/pleac-clojure/201112041308.txt
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 03:22:46PM +0100, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Looks nice, however I need an emacs-mode for syntax highlighting. Can
>> >> you recommend one?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:19 AM, ?<mb...@pa...> wrote:
>> >> > PLEAC rocks!
>> >> >
>> >> > We think it would rock even more if it covered Clojure too,
>> >> > so we hacked some together.
>> >> >
>> >> > ?http://www.panix.com/~mbac/pleac-clojure/201112031957.txt
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope I got the formatting right. ?Let me know and thanks!
>> >> >
>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure
>> >> > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance,
>> >> > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this
>> >> > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense.
>> >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Pleac-discuss mailing list
>> >> > Ple...@li...
>> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pleac-discuss
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Guillaume Cottenceau
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Guillaume Cottenceau



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Re: [Pleac-discuss] Clojure submission

[<mb...@pa...>]

On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 03:31:40PM +0100, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> thanks. another question: you said "we" hacked, so who should I put as
> author(s)? thanks

The contributors are:
  Michael Bacarella <mb...@pa...>
  John Li <jl...@ci...>
  John Fingerhut <jaf...@me...>

Sweet!

> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:57 PM,  <mb...@pa...> wrote:
> > technomancy's clojure-mode is, I think, the standard
> > ?https://github.com/technomancy/clojure-mode
> >
> > Some formatting changes in this new version
> > ?http://www.panix.com/~mbac/pleac-clojure/201112041308.txt
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 03:22:46PM +0100, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Looks nice, however I need an emacs-mode for syntax highlighting. Can
> >> you recommend one?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:19 AM, ?<mb...@pa...> wrote:
> >> > PLEAC rocks!
> >> >
> >> > We think it would rock even more if it covered Clojure too,
> >> > so we hacked some together.
> >> >
> >> > ?http://www.panix.com/~mbac/pleac-clojure/201112031957.txt
> >> >
> >> > Hope I got the formatting right. ?Let me know and thanks!
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure
> >> > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance,
> >> > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this
> >> > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense.
> >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Pleac-discuss mailing list
> >> > Ple...@li...
> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pleac-discuss
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Guillaume Cottenceau
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Guillaume Cottenceau

Re: [Pleac-discuss] Clojure submission

[Guillaume C. <gco...@gm...>]

thanks. another question: you said "we" hacked, so who should I put as
author(s)? thanks


On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:57 PM,  <mb...@pa...> wrote:
> technomancy's clojure-mode is, I think, the standard
>  https://github.com/technomancy/clojure-mode
>
> Some formatting changes in this new version
>  http://www.panix.com/~mbac/pleac-clojure/201112041308.txt
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 03:22:46PM +0100, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Looks nice, however I need an emacs-mode for syntax highlighting. Can
>> you recommend one?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:19 AM,  <mb...@pa...> wrote:
>> > PLEAC rocks!
>> >
>> > We think it would rock even more if it covered Clojure too,
>> > so we hacked some together.
>> >
>> > ?http://www.panix.com/~mbac/pleac-clojure/201112031957.txt
>> >
>> > Hope I got the formatting right. ?Let me know and thanks!
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure
>> > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance,
>> > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this
>> > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense.
>> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d
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