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From: cies <cie...@gm...> - 2005-10-11 21:02:41
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<rant alert>
im slightly disappointed with jack, it has been around now for quite
some time yet it still has many problems that where already known in
the early days -- and are not fixed yet.
the xruns can only be eliminated to either run as root or to patch the
kernel. both are not very easy for a new user, and therefore i think
jack keeps new multimedia users from switching to linux.
sorry i had to rant.
_c.
On 10/11/05, cies <cie...@gm...> wrote:
> On 10/11/05, Patrick Stinson <pat...@gc...> wrote:
> > It would be very nice to be able to nail down those server crashes.
> > I've never seen it crash so much. how clean is your box?
>
> i crash it all the time (lets say 1 out 10 runs for a file that works,
> only some of my mp3s, oggs and wavs seem to work)
>
> im using suse 9.3 (regular intel x86 build)
>
> and my box is more than clean enough...
>
> running everything as root (makes it possible for me to set jack to
> realtime), yet only one try out of the 50 resulted in some sound, here
> and exerpt:
>
> linux:/home/cies/src/repos/bin # ./pkplay -v -f /home/cies/metniks\ -\
> hardcore\ van\ lik\ me\ vesje\!\!\!.mp3
> playing /home/cies/metniks - hardcore van lik me vesje!!!.mp3
> _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> linux:/home/cies/src/repos/bin # ./pkplay -v -f /home/cies/metniks\ -\
> hardcore\ van\ lik\ me\ vesje\!\!\!.mp3
> playing /home/cies/metniks - hardcore van lik me vesje!!!.mp3
> pkaudiod Server crashed! (signal 11)
> linux:/home/cies/src/repos/bin # ./pkplay -v -f /home/cies/metniks\ -\
> hardcore\ van\ lik\ me\ vesje\!\!\!.mp3
> playing /home/cies/metniks - hardcore van lik me vesje!!!.mp3
> _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> linux:/home/cies/src/repos/bin #
> linux:/home/cies/src/repos/bin # ./pkplay -v -f /home/cies/metniks\ -\
> hardcore\ van\ lik\ me\ vesje\!\!\!.mp3
> playing /home/cies/metniks - hardcore van lik me vesje!!!.mp3
> pkaudiod Server crashed! (signal 11)
> linux:/home/cies/src/repos/bin # ./pkplay -v -f /home/cies/metniks\ -\
> hardcore\ van\ lik\ me\ vesje\!\!\!.mp3
> playing /home/cies/metniks - hardcore van lik me vesje!!!.mp3
> _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> linux:/home/cies/src/repos/bin # ./pkplay -v -f /home/cies/metniks\ -\
> hardcore\ van\ lik\ me\ vesje\!\!\!.mp3
> playing /home/cies/metniks - hardcore van lik me vesje!!!.mp3
> _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
>
>
>
>
> _c.
>
>
> > On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:46 AM, cies wrote:
> >
> > > finally at last...
> > >
> > > i jerked a bit of sound out of pkaudio!
> > >
> > > there is probably also something with the wavedecoder, since it doesn=
t
> > > produced sound for me.
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> qjackctl &
> > > [1] 24422
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> Warning: no locale found:
> > > /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.UTF-8.qm
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f
> > > /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav # no sound
> > > _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f
> > > /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav # no sound
> > > _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f /opt/kde3/share/sounds/
> > > KDE_Vox_Yo.ogg
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Vox_Yo.ogg # FIRST SOUND!
> > > _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f /opt/kde3/share/sounds/
> > > KDE_Vox_Yo.ogg
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Vox_Yo.ogg #HUH?!
> > > pkaudiod Server crashed! (signal 11)
> > > detected server crash
> > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > > File "./pkplay", line 34, in ?
> > > s =3D pk.audio.Sample(fpath)
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py", line
> > > 225, in __init__
> > > Module.__init__(self, 'Sample', path)
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py", line
> > > 100, in __init__
> > > id =3D core.createModule(mtype, name)
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line 658,
> > > in createModule
> > > return _recvULong()
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line 227,
> > > in _recvULong
> > > ret =3D _recv()
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > > 218, in _recv
> > > raise ConnectionError('detected server crash')
> > > pk.audio.core.ConnectionError: detected server crash
> > > Exception exceptions.AttributeError: <exceptions.AttributeError
> > > instance at 0x4042ca6c> in <bound method Sample.__del__ of
> > > <pk.audio.modules.Sample instance at 0x405f40ec>> ignored
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f /opt/kde3/share/sounds/
> > > KDE_Vox_Yo.ogg
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Vox_Yo.ogg # and now it just work=
s
> > > again.. strange
> > > _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f
> > > /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Glass_Break.ogg
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Glass_Break.ogg # no sound
> > > _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f
> > > /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Logout_1.ogg
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Logout_1.ogg # sound!
> > > _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f
> > > /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Logout_1.ogg
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Logout_1.ogg # sound!
> > > _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f
> > > /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Logout_2.ogg
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Logout_2.ogg # no sound...
> > > _default_event_callback sample:loaded 15
> > >
> > > cies@linux:~/src/repos/bin> ./pkplay -v -f
> > > /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Logout_2.ogg
> > > playing /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Logout_2.ogg # BOOM!
> > > pkaudiod Server crashed! (signal 11)
> > > detected server crash
> > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > > File "./pkplay", line 34, in ?
> > > s =3D pk.audio.Sample(fpath)
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py", line
> > > 225, in __init__
> > > Module.__init__(self, 'Sample', path)
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py", line
> > > 100, in __init__
> > > id =3D core.createModule(mtype, name)
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line 658,
> > > in createModule
> > > return _recvULong()
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line 227,
> > > in _recvULong
> > > ret =3D _recv()
> > > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > > 218, in _recv
> > > raise ConnectionError('detected server crash')
> > > pk.audio.core.ConnectionError: detected server crash
> > > Exception exceptions.AttributeError: <exceptions.AttributeError
> > > instance at 0x4042ca6c> in <bound method Sample.__del__ of
> > > <pk.audio.modules.Sample instance at 0x405f40cc>> ignored
> > >
> > >
> > > maybe it has something to do with the XRUNs issue that i didnt fix
> > > yet, yet i doubt it...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > i already stared to work a bit on an alternative implementation using
> > > RtAudio an some Secret Rabbit Code (libsamplerate), but that is on
> > > hold now.
> > >
> > > i much rather use a Qt-style api to do all i need (file loading,
> > > sample rate conversion, audiodevice handling) and more over c-ish
> > > nonsense... ohh, and now i can also prototype in python (the language
> > > that i get paid for to code in -- yet i still suck at it)
> > >
> > > i'll write more later, i've got to code a bit now...
> > >
> > > _c.
> > >
> > > On 10/11/05, Patrick Stinson <pat...@gc...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have updated pkplay to use pk.options. You might check out that
> > >> file to learn how to use pk.options. you can also grep the tree for
> > >> OptionsGroup.
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 11, 2005, at 2:59 AM, cies wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> hmm... verbose on? pkplay does let me put verbose on. try it and yo=
u
> > >>> see why, it just doesnt let you.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 10/10/05, Patrick Stinson <pat...@gc...> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> hmm. I'm not sure what to say for the crashes, unless you debug
> > >>>> pkaudiod (which you can, btw).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> pkplay is the easiest way to play sound.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> again, try running everything with verbose on. start_server() has
> > >>>> that option, and pkplay should too. look at the pthon code for api
> > >>>> references.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Oct 10, 2005, at 4:23 PM, cies wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 10/10/05, Patrick Stinson <pat...@gc...> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Oct 10, 2005, at 3:56 PM, cies wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 10/10/05, Patrick Stinson <pat...@gc...> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> did you start the jack server? I use qjackctl.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> okay got some further... (apperrently i missed something
> > >>>>>>> somewhere)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> jack runs (through qjackctl), yet with XRUNs once every while
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> install realtime-lsm (google realtime-lsm and your platform) to
> > >>>>>> allow
> > >>>>>> your user to run jack with realtime priority. you also want to
> > >>>>>> run
> > >>>>>> pkaudio with realtime priority. that will get rid of the xruns.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Jack
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> i can get jack_metronome to 'sound'
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> then i try:
> > >>>>>>> pkplay /opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav
> > >>>>>>> (does something, i see connections coming and going in
> > >>>>>>> qjackctl, but
> > >>>>>>> no sound and the runtime is too short to play the sample
> > >>>>>>> properly)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> pksampler
> > >>>>>>> (didnt start at first, but after creating /home/cies/wav,
> > >>>>>>> what it
> > >>>>>>> wanted, i was able to see the app -- no sound)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> right. I haven't put that into a host config yet, so I hard-
> > >>>>>> coded it.
> > >>>>>> I haven't really designed the sample library directory yet,
> > >>>>>> either.
> > >>>>>> the current pksampler code is really in hack phase for now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> pkrack - worked yet silent
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> pkrack doesn't make any noise itself. it just gives you the
> > >>>>>> rack so
> > >>>>>> you can add some modules to it. the only module I have so far is
> > >>>>>> pk.sampler. If you get pkplay to play something, then audio is
> > >>>>>> all
> > >>>>>> set. if you get pkrack up, then the gui is all set. try pkplay
> > >>>>>> with
> > >>>>>> the --verbose option. this also turns on verbosity for the
> > >>>>>> pkaudio
> > >>>>>> daemon.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> also, try pkplay --help.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> i did many times... i thought pkplay was the easiest path to
> > >>>>> actually
> > >>>>> hearing some sound... yet it didnt help much.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> okay, i do it from the python commandline:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> import time
> > >>>>>>>> import sys
> > >>>>>>>> import pk.audio
> > >>>>>>>> import pk.options
> > >>>>>>>> pk.options.parse_args()
> > >>>>>>>> pk.audio.start_server()
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> True
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> d =3D pk.audio.Driver()
> > >>>>>>>> s =3D pk.audio.Sample("/opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav"=
)
> > >>>>>>>> d.getMixer(0).connect(s.outputPort())
> > >>>>>>>> s.play()
> > >>>>>>>> s.play()
> > >>>>>>>> s.play()
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --> no sound!
> > >>>>> okay then i did some thing that might be terribly wrong but
> > >>>>> heay! im
> > >>>>> trying for hours (over the last days) and i keep on doing that...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> maybe you understand something out of this:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> KeyboardInterrupt
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> s =3D pk.audio.Sample("/usr/lib/pd/doc/sound/voice.wav")
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> detected server crash
> > >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >>>>> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py",
> > >>>>> line
> > >>>>> 224, in __init__
> > >>>>> core.loadModule('pksample')
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 818,
> > >>>>> in loadModule
> > >>>>> return _recvNull()
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 242,
> > >>>>> in _recvNull
> > >>>>> ret =3D _recv()
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 218, in _recv
> > >>>>> raise ConnectionError('detected server crash')
> > >>>>> pk.audio.core.ConnectionError: detected server crash
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> pk.options.parse_args()
> > >>>>>>>> pk.audio.start_server()
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> True
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> s =3D pk.audio.Sample("/usr/lib/pd/doc/sound/voice.wav")
> > >>>>>>>> d =3D pk.audio.Driver()
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> detected server crash
> > >>>>> detected server crash
> > >>>>> Exception exceptions.AttributeError: <exceptions.AttributeError
> > >>>>> instance at 0x406738cc> in <bound method Sample.__del__ of
> > >>>>> <pk.audio.modules.Sample instance at 0x4049298c>> ignored
> > >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >>>>> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py",
> > >>>>> line
> > >>>>> 180, in __init__
> > >>>>> raise ConnectionError('not connected to server, connect with
> > >>>>> "start_server()"')
> > >>>>> pk.audio.modules.ConnectionError: not connected to server, connec=
t
> > >>>>> with "start_server()"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> d =3D pk.audio.Driver()
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >>>>> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py",
> > >>>>> line
> > >>>>> 180, in __init__
> > >>>>> raise ConnectionError('not connected to server, connect with
> > >>>>> "start_server()"')
> > >>>>> pk.audio.modules.ConnectionError: not connected to server, connec=
t
> > >>>>> with "start_server()"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> pk.options.parse_args()
> > >>>>>>>> pk.audio.start_server()
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> True
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> d =3D pk.audio.Driver()
> > >>>>>>>> s =3D pk.audio.Sample("/usr/lib/pd/doc/sound/voice.wav")
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >>>>> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py",
> > >>>>> line
> > >>>>> 225, in __init__
> > >>>>> Module.__init__(self, 'Sample', path)
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py",
> > >>>>> line
> > >>>>> 102, in __init__
> > >>>>> self._syncModuleInfo()
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py",
> > >>>>> line
> > >>>>> 119, in _syncModuleInfo
> > >>>>> self.info =3D core.getModuleInfo(self.id())
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 694,
> > >>>>> in getModuleInfo
> > >>>>> return _recvModuleInfo()
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 260,
> > >>>>> in _recvModuleInfo
> > >>>>> ret =3D _recvString()
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 252,
> > >>>>> in _recvString
> > >>>>> ret =3D _recv()
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 220, in _recv
> > >>>>> ret +=3D _sock.recv(1024)
> > >>>>> socket.error: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> s.play()
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> Exception exceptions.ValueError: <exceptions.ValueError
> > >>>>> instance at
> > >>>>> 0x406737ec> in <bound method Sample.__del__ of
> > >>>>> <pk.audio.modules.Sample instance at 0x4067344c>> ignored
> > >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >>>>> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py",
> > >>>>> line
> > >>>>> 251, in play
> > >>>>> self.setProperty('playing', core.TRUE)
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/modules.py",
> > >>>>> line
> > >>>>> 128, in setProperty
> > >>>>> core.setProperty(self.info['id'], name, val)
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 725,
> > >>>>> in setProperty
> > >>>>> _send(msg('MLsf', 'SetProperty', mid, ctl, float(val)))
> > >>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/audio/core.py", line
> > >>>>> 196, in _send
> > >>>>> except socket.error, (errno, e):
> > >>>>> ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> i'm off to bed.
> > >>>>> _c.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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